1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,200 www.SUBTITULOS.es -SPREAD THE WORD- 2 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:23,302 My name is William Shatner and I was a starship captain, 3 00:00:23,366 --> 00:00:24,800 but I wasn't the only one, 4 00:00:24,866 --> 00:00:27,535 So were Patrick Stewart, Avery Brooks, 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,802 Kate Mulgrew, Scott Bakula, 6 00:00:29,866 --> 00:00:32,034 and most recently, Chris Pine, 7 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,035 That's a lot of captains, 8 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,302 In fact, that's a lot of ''Star Trek,'' 9 00:00:36,366 --> 00:00:38,334 Lasers, fire, point blank! 10 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:39,734 The original series, 11 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:43,136 despite being canceled after only three seasons in 1969, 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,136 spawned perhaps the most durable 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,570 and profitable franchise in the history of entertainment, 14 00:00:49,633 --> 00:00:52,102 At the center of each incarnation of ''Star Trek'' 15 00:00:52,166 --> 00:00:56,036 is what has become the truly iconic character... 16 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:57,167 the captain, 17 00:00:57,233 --> 00:00:58,467 Engage! 18 00:00:59,733 --> 00:01:03,903 These dynamic and unique actors have inhabited this role, 19 00:01:03,966 --> 00:01:07,302 each bringing their own interpretation and personality, 20 00:01:07,366 --> 00:01:08,533 Warp six, 21 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:10,635 Engage, 22 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,068 The captains, 23 00:01:12,133 --> 00:01:13,334 Who are they? 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,235 What were they before they got the role, 25 00:01:15,299 --> 00:01:19,203 why did they get the role, what have they done afterwards? 26 00:01:19,266 --> 00:01:22,135 It's a journey of discovery... 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,671 by me, you, and, ultimately, them, 28 00:01:35,866 --> 00:01:36,900 Woo! 29 00:01:38,833 --> 00:01:40,067 Wow! 30 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:47,767 Hey! 31 00:01:47,833 --> 00:01:49,134 - Spock! - How are you? 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,801 Spock? 33 00:01:50,866 --> 00:01:52,534 I'm not Spock, 34 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:53,901 That guy called me Spock, 35 00:02:03,666 --> 00:02:04,733 Oh! 36 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:28,601 We began our voyage, 37 00:02:28,666 --> 00:02:30,968 taking the jet to Toronto 38 00:02:31,033 --> 00:02:32,834 to pick up our Canadian crew, 39 00:02:34,533 --> 00:02:35,467 Woo! 40 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:37,668 And surprise, 41 00:02:37,733 --> 00:02:41,236 The president of biz for Bombardier, 42 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,367 Steve Ridolfi, 43 00:02:42,433 --> 00:02:44,434 met the plane to say hello to me, 44 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:45,667 and what do you know? 45 00:02:45,733 --> 00:02:47,835 He tells me he got into the airplane business 46 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:49,835 because of ''Star Trek,'' 47 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:53,069 He became an aeronautical engineer because of me, 48 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:55,335 I still remember my first ''Star Trek'' episode 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,101 on a little black-and-white television, 'cause that's 50 00:02:57,166 --> 00:02:58,767 - all we had in those days, - Right, 51 00:02:58,833 --> 00:03:00,434 Wow, 52 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:01,868 I had to think about that, 53 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:18,168 As we flew across the ocean 54 00:03:18,233 --> 00:03:22,870 and as I prepared to meet the actors... 55 00:03:22,933 --> 00:03:25,468 I had a lot of unanswered questions, 56 00:03:28,533 --> 00:03:31,335 Not only for them... 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,501 but for myself, 58 00:03:55,699 --> 00:03:56,967 Oh, my God, 59 00:03:57,033 --> 00:03:59,268 Patrick, what are you doing here? 60 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:00,734 Bill, you called me, 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,967 I'm waiting for you, 62 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:04,268 You said you had something you wanted to say to me, 63 00:04:04,333 --> 00:04:05,133 I do, 64 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:06,701 - Hello, - Hi, 65 00:04:09,266 --> 00:04:11,534 Patrick Stewart, or as he is now known, 66 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:13,301 Sir Patrick Stewart, 67 00:04:13,366 --> 00:04:16,302 was Captain Jean-Luc Picard of 68 00:04:16,366 --> 00:04:18,835 ''Star Trek: The Next Generation,'' 69 00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:20,901 A superb classical actor, 70 00:04:20,966 --> 00:04:23,868 Patrick is a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company 71 00:04:23,933 --> 00:04:28,370 and brought a tremendous dignity to the role, 72 00:04:28,433 --> 00:04:30,468 Being born at the beginning of the war, 73 00:04:30,533 --> 00:04:33,435 I suppose I was used to the idea of war 74 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:38,538 and if something has always been that particular way, 75 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,801 it doesn't seem extraordinary, 76 00:04:39,866 --> 00:04:43,002 So We Were Very poor, we didn't have much... 77 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:44,767 We had nothing, really, Ieftover 78 00:04:44,833 --> 00:04:46,868 at the end of the week... 79 00:04:46,933 --> 00:04:50,169 but it didn't... 80 00:04:50,233 --> 00:04:51,667 create problems for me 81 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:53,768 because all my friends were the same, 82 00:04:53,833 --> 00:04:57,236 There was... there was nothing you could compare your life to, 83 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:01,103 so there was no sense of... 84 00:05:01,166 --> 00:05:04,469 being excluded in society or being without, 85 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:05,700 because that was how it was, 86 00:05:05,766 --> 00:05:08,034 and everybody was the same, 87 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:11,336 I remember a play I did 88 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:14,302 in a camp that my mother's sister ran 89 00:05:14,366 --> 00:05:16,901 about something about the Holocaust, 90 00:05:16,966 --> 00:05:18,300 - Really? - Yeah, 91 00:05:18,366 --> 00:05:20,101 - And I played this boy... - How old were you? 92 00:05:20,166 --> 00:05:21,901 Uh, six, five, six, 93 00:05:21,966 --> 00:05:25,102 And one of the kids played a dog, 94 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:27,234 and I was saying goodbye to my dog, 95 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:28,601 'cause the Germans were taking me, 96 00:05:28,666 --> 00:05:30,834 that was the... that was the little drama that we were, 97 00:05:30,899 --> 00:05:32,167 When the play was over, 98 00:05:32,233 --> 00:05:35,269 I looked out there and the audience was crying 99 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:39,136 because the subject matter was so embedded in the people, 100 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,001 And so I took my bow 101 00:05:41,066 --> 00:05:44,202 and my father came and held me and praised me, 102 00:05:44,266 --> 00:05:47,068 and I'm convinced that that was the moment 103 00:05:47,133 --> 00:05:49,702 that I thought, hey, this is fantastic, 104 00:05:49,766 --> 00:05:53,336 This has got me places with my father and the audience 105 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:54,834 that I've never dreamt of 106 00:05:54,899 --> 00:05:56,334 and I'm convinced that that's what... 107 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:58,368 that's what started me on my acting thing, 108 00:05:58,433 --> 00:06:00,902 What about you? 109 00:06:00,966 --> 00:06:06,171 I was 12 when I was first put into a play with adults and... 110 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:07,500 Well, how did that happen? 111 00:06:07,566 --> 00:06:08,867 I mean, why would they put you in a play with adults? 112 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:10,434 I had an English teacher, 113 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:14,503 He was the man who first put a copy of Shakespeare into my hand 114 00:06:14,566 --> 00:06:16,234 and said, ''Read it out loud, this is...'' 115 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:18,435 Why would he do that? 116 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:23,071 He was an English teacher who loved drama, 117 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:24,501 and he was an actor and director... 118 00:06:24,566 --> 00:06:26,501 amateur actor and director, 119 00:06:26,566 --> 00:06:28,968 and he wanted... I went to a... 120 00:06:29,033 --> 00:06:31,535 It was not an academic school, 121 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,404 but he wanted us to have some experience of our dramatists, 122 00:06:36,466 --> 00:06:37,667 and so he would give us... 123 00:06:37,733 --> 00:06:39,801 The first play was ''The Merchant of Venice,'' 124 00:06:39,866 --> 00:06:42,468 And he gave me Shylock to read, 125 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:44,401 I don't know why, 126 00:06:44,466 --> 00:06:46,301 Patrick, let's examine that a second, 127 00:06:46,366 --> 00:06:49,001 He must have seen something, something you did, 128 00:06:49,066 --> 00:06:52,002 Let's pause a moment, maybe you won't remember what it is, 129 00:06:52,066 --> 00:06:54,168 but maybe if we Iook at it more carefully, 130 00:06:54,233 --> 00:06:55,801 something will suggest itself 131 00:06:55,866 --> 00:06:57,467 that you haven't thought of in a while, 132 00:06:57,533 --> 00:06:59,701 You see, here's the other strange thing, 133 00:06:59,766 --> 00:07:02,902 I never had any difficulty with Shakespeare, 134 00:07:02,966 --> 00:07:05,134 It never seemed alien or strange, 135 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,002 I mean, this was a 400-year-old text, 136 00:07:08,066 --> 00:07:09,867 I found I enjoyed the Shakespeare, 137 00:07:09,933 --> 00:07:12,268 In those days, there was a lot of Shakespeare on the radio 138 00:07:12,333 --> 00:07:14,001 and our leading actors would be playing the parts... 139 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:15,867 John Gielgud, Alec Guiness, 140 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:17,467 - I listened to them, - Yes, 141 00:07:17,533 --> 00:07:20,202 - And I copied what I heard, - Yes, 142 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:22,801 And just, the mere act of copying... 143 00:07:22,866 --> 00:07:24,667 - Even at 12? - Yeah, 144 00:07:24,733 --> 00:07:25,800 Wow, 145 00:07:25,866 --> 00:07:28,702 You don't have the emotional experience, 146 00:07:28,766 --> 00:07:32,803 but there is something in the brain 147 00:07:32,866 --> 00:07:36,035 and in the body that can make that child connect 148 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:37,701 to the instrument, to the bow, 149 00:07:37,766 --> 00:07:39,767 - or to the text on the page... - The word, 150 00:07:39,833 --> 00:07:40,833 intuitively, 151 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,102 You know, the valley in the back, as we see it, 152 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:50,567 that's the beauty of the thing, 153 00:07:50,633 --> 00:07:52,368 That's how I see the world, 154 00:07:52,433 --> 00:07:54,001 - As a road to somewhere, - Like a road to... 155 00:07:54,066 --> 00:07:55,100 Yeah, 156 00:07:55,166 --> 00:07:57,368 Yeah, but where does that road go to? 157 00:07:57,433 --> 00:08:00,002 The horizon is ever-changing, 158 00:08:00,066 --> 00:08:01,333 - Right, - You with me? 159 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:02,734 I am so with you, 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,136 Ever-changing, but can you ever get to it? 161 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:08,335 - No, that's the point, - The point is? 162 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:12,971 And I'll stay as long as I can see the horizon moving, 163 00:08:13,033 --> 00:08:15,068 - Oh, wait a minute, - Yeah, okay, 164 00:08:15,133 --> 00:08:18,436 12 miles away, the horizon sort of disappeared, 165 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,401 they used to see sailor ships by their sails, 166 00:08:20,466 --> 00:08:21,533 - Sure, - Right? 167 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,567 Sure, 168 00:08:22,633 --> 00:08:23,800 I mean, that's the limit of the... 169 00:08:23,866 --> 00:08:25,100 So here comes a ship 12 miles away, 170 00:08:25,166 --> 00:08:26,300 they think it's the end of the world, 171 00:08:26,366 --> 00:08:28,601 - Yeah, - That was the way it was, 172 00:08:28,666 --> 00:08:30,401 - Well... - What's it like now? 173 00:08:30,466 --> 00:08:32,968 Well, that was a way of perceiving , 174 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:35,068 and what we know is that that's not... 175 00:08:35,133 --> 00:08:36,567 That wasn't sufficient, was it? 176 00:08:36,633 --> 00:08:37,633 - Correct, - No, 177 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,268 Not only that, but the sea... 178 00:08:39,333 --> 00:08:41,268 the first seafarers in the world were Africans, 179 00:08:41,333 --> 00:08:42,967 They didn't think about that like that, 180 00:08:43,033 --> 00:08:44,134 What'd they think? 181 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,803 No, they saw the ever-changing horizon, 182 00:08:47,866 --> 00:08:49,234 - It's true, - So wait a minute, 183 00:08:49,299 --> 00:08:51,502 Are you telling me that you're tuned in... 184 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:56,836 Avery Brooks was Captain Benjamin Sisko of 185 00:08:56,899 --> 00:08:58,968 ''Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,'' 186 00:08:59,033 --> 00:09:01,301 Avery, in addition to his impressive work 187 00:09:01,366 --> 00:09:03,668 on the stage and screen 188 00:09:03,733 --> 00:09:07,670 is a tenured professor of theater at Rutgers University, 189 00:09:07,733 --> 00:09:10,135 and if that isn't impressive enough, 190 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,736 he's an accomplished jazz singer and pianist, 191 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:15,902 * Hey * 192 00:09:15,966 --> 00:09:17,133 * Girl * 193 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:26,269 * What you doing in here? * 194 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:33,035 * You're. * 195 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:36,236 * In my heart * 196 00:09:39,866 --> 00:09:43,202 * Without * 197 00:09:43,266 --> 00:09:44,900 * Consent * 198 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:52,769 * You asked me here * 199 00:09:52,833 --> 00:09:55,202 * You asked to come in . 200 00:09:55,266 --> 00:09:56,734 * and * 201 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:58,701 * I said I would * 202 00:10:00,966 --> 00:10:03,468 * You said come in * 203 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:06,269 * And I came * 204 00:10:06,833 --> 00:10:08,868 * And found you here * 205 00:10:11,966 --> 00:10:14,001 * Down the stairs... * 206 00:10:14,066 --> 00:10:15,834 Yeah, that's funny, too, 207 00:10:15,899 --> 00:10:17,468 * Into your head I went * 208 00:10:17,533 --> 00:10:19,001 * Into my head * 209 00:10:19,066 --> 00:10:21,468 * I thought you'd never be * 210 00:10:22,833 --> 00:10:24,467 I went to Oberlin College, 211 00:10:24,533 --> 00:10:26,768 and I wanted to audition for the choir, 212 00:10:26,833 --> 00:10:29,101 this world, you know, world-renowned choir, 213 00:10:29,166 --> 00:10:30,700 the conservatory, 214 00:10:30,766 --> 00:10:32,634 and so I met these men, you know, 215 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,334 athletes and stuff... you know, I came early, 216 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:36,068 And they said... I said, ''I'm going on...'' 217 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:37,234 And, you know, I'm from Gary, Indiana, 218 00:10:37,299 --> 00:10:38,834 and, you know, the thing... 219 00:10:38,899 --> 00:10:40,801 And they said... yeah, I said, ''I'm going to audition 220 00:10:40,866 --> 00:10:43,168 for the choir in the morning,'' and they laughed at me, 221 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:46,369 They said, ''You can't get in the choir, you're from, y'know,'' 222 00:10:46,433 --> 00:10:47,734 - I said, no... - Wait a minute, 223 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:48,634 You're from... 224 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:49,801 - I'm from Gary, Indiana, - Right, 225 00:10:49,866 --> 00:10:51,100 I'm from this inner-city place... 226 00:10:51,166 --> 00:10:52,467 - Right, - and so you can't get... 227 00:10:52,533 --> 00:10:53,834 You can't get in... 228 00:10:53,899 --> 00:10:55,334 But why did they say you can't? 229 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:56,467 Was it from Gary, Indiana? 230 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:58,101 Maybe because I had a football jacket on 231 00:10:58,166 --> 00:11:01,035 and rose-tinted glasses and I'm from the urban thing, 232 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:02,768 - That's what they said, - All right, 233 00:11:02,833 --> 00:11:04,868 Even though I've been, y'know, in this music thing 234 00:11:04,933 --> 00:11:06,034 - my whole life, - Right, 235 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,201 My whole life has been music, 236 00:11:07,266 --> 00:11:08,767 So aren't you enraged by that? 237 00:11:08,833 --> 00:11:11,235 No, I just told them I'm going in the morning 238 00:11:11,299 --> 00:11:12,701 and I'm gonna get in the choir, 239 00:11:12,766 --> 00:11:15,001 - And what happened? - I was in the choir! 240 00:11:36,366 --> 00:11:38,301 Oh! 241 00:11:38,366 --> 00:11:40,267 What is... 242 00:11:44,633 --> 00:11:45,934 Where have you been? 243 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,936 - You look so cute in that box, - I'm so hot in here, 244 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,735 Come on, we're supposed to be doing an interview, 245 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:53,102 I brought my air-conditioned box, 246 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:55,334 'cause I didn't know how long you'd be, 247 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:57,401 How handsome, Bill in a box, 248 00:11:57,466 --> 00:11:59,267 You could market it, 249 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:00,233 How are you? 250 00:12:00,299 --> 00:12:01,701 Just add water, which we've done, 251 00:12:01,766 --> 00:12:02,900 Oh, boy, sweetheart, 252 00:12:02,966 --> 00:12:06,235 Oh, I am so hot just waiting for you, 253 00:12:06,299 --> 00:12:07,634 What does that mean? 254 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:09,101 That's what they all say, 255 00:12:09,166 --> 00:12:12,969 Kate Mulgrew portrayed Captain Kathryn Janeway 256 00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:15,635 on ''Star Trek: Voyager,'' 257 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:17,468 You will meet Kate in the setting 258 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:21,603 where she is perhaps most at home, the stage, 259 00:12:21,666 --> 00:12:24,902 The first female captain of a ''Star Trek'' series, 260 00:12:24,966 --> 00:12:28,436 She brought all of her training and discipline to bear 261 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:32,203 and made Janeway an impressive leader, 262 00:12:32,266 --> 00:12:35,469 I think when I was young, 263 00:12:35,533 --> 00:12:40,471 acting was, for me, the great escape, 264 00:12:40,533 --> 00:12:43,569 AIthough I took it very seriously, 265 00:12:43,633 --> 00:12:45,301 You wanted to go to college, obviously, 266 00:12:45,366 --> 00:12:46,467 Not really, I didn't, 267 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:47,800 Well, but you had a desire... 268 00:12:47,866 --> 00:12:49,634 - Bill, Bill, - Yes? 269 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:50,801 - Trust me, - Trust me, 270 00:12:50,866 --> 00:12:53,134 I wanted my father to pay my way to New York, 271 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,301 The only way I could get here 272 00:12:54,366 --> 00:12:56,801 was to get in through New York University, 273 00:12:56,866 --> 00:12:58,934 I wanted to study with Stella Adler, 274 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,768 I have my sister to verify this, 275 00:13:00,833 --> 00:13:03,702 College to me was absolutely unimportant, 276 00:13:03,766 --> 00:13:05,334 absolutely unimportant, 277 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:07,368 and as it turns out, I have had much less college 278 00:13:07,433 --> 00:13:08,700 than I even thought, 279 00:13:08,766 --> 00:13:10,601 I thought I dropped out at the end of my junior year, 280 00:13:10,666 --> 00:13:11,767 in fact, I've only had one year, 281 00:13:11,833 --> 00:13:13,668 Okay, why couldn't you say to your father, 282 00:13:13,733 --> 00:13:15,801 ''I wanna go to Stella Adler, pay for that for me, please?'' 283 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:16,933 My father... 284 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,468 Absolutely... tough, tough old Irishman, 285 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:21,269 Tough, what, but his daughter wants to learn, 286 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:22,867 - Why can't you got to your... - To be an actress, 287 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:24,200 - Yeah, - And you know what my father 288 00:13:24,266 --> 00:13:25,634 said to me when I said I wanna be an actress? 289 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:27,068 - What, what did he say? - And I proved it to him, 290 00:13:27,133 --> 00:13:29,335 He said, ''You're gonna break your neck out of the gate 291 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:32,236 and I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna subsidize that,'' 292 00:13:32,299 --> 00:13:33,501 How did you feel about that? 293 00:13:33,566 --> 00:13:35,100 I said, ''Then I'll do it myself,'' 294 00:13:35,166 --> 00:13:36,000 He said, ''Guess what? 295 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:37,500 - You will,'' - And guess what? 296 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:39,634 You didn't, 'cause you went to college, 297 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,668 You said, ''Then give me the money for university,'' 298 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:43,367 - Yes, - So you fooled him, 299 00:13:43,433 --> 00:13:44,500 - I did, - You lied, 300 00:13:44,566 --> 00:13:45,934 - I did, - Why did you do that? 301 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,334 'Cause I wanted to be an actress, 302 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:48,768 That much, 303 00:13:48,833 --> 00:13:51,969 And I didn't mind sticking it to him a little bit, either, 304 00:13:52,033 --> 00:13:53,334 He was tough, 305 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:55,068 Tough, tough, 306 00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:57,401 But he didn't know that I dropped out, 307 00:13:57,466 --> 00:13:58,633 I didn't tell him I dropped out of school, 308 00:13:58,700 --> 00:13:59,967 So why did you drop out? 309 00:14:00,033 --> 00:14:02,802 I dropped out because I got two leading roles, 310 00:14:02,866 --> 00:14:04,133 Where? 311 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,435 I got the lead in a soap opera called ''Ryan's Hope,'' 312 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,802 I played Mary Ryan, and I got the lead in ''Our Town'' 313 00:14:08,866 --> 00:14:10,033 at the American Shakespeare festival... 314 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:12,535 - Wow, at the same time? - Same time, 315 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,735 - How old were you? - 1 8, 1 9, 316 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:16,868 So they recognized your talent right from the very beginning, 317 00:14:16,933 --> 00:14:18,334 Yeah, they did, yes, 318 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,501 Poker face, 319 00:14:29,566 --> 00:14:30,600 Shut up, 320 00:14:33,533 --> 00:14:35,902 - Scott Bakula, - Bill Shatner, 321 00:14:36,466 --> 00:14:38,234 I have admired you for so long, 322 00:14:38,299 --> 00:14:40,769 - You are my hero, - Are you kidding me? 323 00:14:40,833 --> 00:14:42,367 No, no, no, no, I'm not kidding, because... 324 00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:43,700 Vice versa, 325 00:14:43,766 --> 00:14:46,401 Well, I appreciate that, but the truth of the matter is, 326 00:14:46,466 --> 00:14:48,634 you're such a hell of an actor, but you're a singer, 327 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:50,001 - I am a singer, that is true, - Yeah, 328 00:14:50,066 --> 00:14:52,201 Where... Do you think of yourself as a singer first? 329 00:14:52,266 --> 00:14:53,734 Yeah, that's where I started, 330 00:14:53,799 --> 00:14:55,701 - I know, musical theater, - That's right, 331 00:14:55,766 --> 00:14:58,268 - Did you study? - Of course, I still study, 332 00:14:58,333 --> 00:14:59,901 - Voice? - Every week, 333 00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:01,367 You take voice lessons every week? 334 00:15:01,433 --> 00:15:02,300 Yes, every week, 335 00:15:02,366 --> 00:15:03,533 Give me a... give me a thing? 336 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,335 - What do you... - A voice exercise, 337 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:06,400 A voice... an exercise? 338 00:15:06,466 --> 00:15:08,201 He, he, he, he, hey. 339 00:15:08,266 --> 00:15:10,234 Jeez, that's wild, 340 00:15:13,133 --> 00:15:14,634 I can't sing, but I can ride a horse, 341 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:15,734 - Let's hear a little, - Let's go... 342 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:17,334 - Let's hear a little singing, - No, 343 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:19,168 - I sang yesterday, - I can teach you today, 344 00:15:19,233 --> 00:15:20,167 - How long do we have? - Really? 345 00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:22,268 We've got... we've got 'til 1:30 346 00:15:22,333 --> 00:15:24,768 and then you have to go, 347 00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:26,067 Come on over here, 348 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:27,801 I'm... I'm, uh... 349 00:15:27,866 --> 00:15:30,335 Here's the... I'll go wherever Calvin takes me, 350 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:31,901 but when you say, ''Come on over here...'' 351 00:15:31,966 --> 00:15:34,034 - No, no, no, press your legs, - Yes? 352 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,135 - Press your legs against him... - Yes, 353 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,868 - Against her very slightly... - Yes, 354 00:15:37,933 --> 00:15:39,501 - and she'll go forward, - Yes, 355 00:15:39,566 --> 00:15:42,936 And then, if you wanna go to your left, 356 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,168 you just point it to the left, 357 00:15:45,233 --> 00:15:46,367 Yes, 358 00:15:46,433 --> 00:15:47,600 - A little leg pressure, - Yes, 359 00:15:47,666 --> 00:15:48,900 All right, 360 00:15:48,966 --> 00:15:50,133 That's good, guys, Iet's dismount... 361 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,601 Let's stop here, 362 00:15:51,666 --> 00:15:52,600 Okay, 363 00:15:52,666 --> 00:15:54,534 That was... that was fabulous, 364 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,701 Now here's what I want to do... 365 00:15:57,433 --> 00:16:00,135 Scott Bakula played Captain Jonathan Archer 366 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,434 on ''Star Trek: Enterprise,'' 367 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:04,402 and was arguably the first captain, 368 00:16:04,466 --> 00:16:08,002 as his series was set before the original series, 369 00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:11,903 even though it was the last to be produced, 370 00:16:11,966 --> 00:16:13,767 You got all that? 371 00:16:13,833 --> 00:16:17,369 Scott has been a fixture on television for decades 372 00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:19,067 and like Avery, 373 00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:20,467 is an accomplished singer, 374 00:16:20,533 --> 00:16:23,736 No... my mother's very musical, my dad's very musicaI 375 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:25,368 and I have become... 376 00:16:25,433 --> 00:16:26,634 What does that mean, ''very musical''? 377 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,536 Well, my dad was a concert pianist, 378 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,369 so I had pianos in my house my whole life 379 00:16:32,433 --> 00:16:33,901 and that's a huge deal, 380 00:16:33,966 --> 00:16:35,300 And did they say, sing? 381 00:16:35,366 --> 00:16:37,367 They didn't say sing, but my mom was a singer, 382 00:16:37,433 --> 00:16:39,067 So there was always music around, 383 00:16:39,133 --> 00:16:41,869 and my parents, 'cause my dad went to Princeton, 384 00:16:41,933 --> 00:16:44,468 he used to go to New York when he was at school, 385 00:16:44,533 --> 00:16:47,035 so he developed this love of New York shows 386 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,302 and so when I was growing up in the '60s, 387 00:16:49,366 --> 00:16:50,900 my parents would disappear for a few days, 388 00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:52,200 go to New York, 389 00:16:52,266 --> 00:16:54,601 see a Broadway show and come back home with ''Cabaret,'' 390 00:16:54,666 --> 00:16:55,800 an album from ''Cabaret,'' 391 00:16:55,866 --> 00:16:58,034 or ''How to Succeed in Business Without Really...'' 392 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,534 You know, or any of those kind of shows, 393 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,769 and so I was getting this kind of distant love affair, 394 00:17:02,833 --> 00:17:04,067 and then you'd put the album on 395 00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:05,834 and you'd be listening to ''Mame'' or Angela Lansbury 396 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:07,468 or somebody, and you'd be all... that's... 397 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:09,868 You know, so I grew up having it around me, 398 00:17:09,933 --> 00:17:11,501 Did they encourage you to sing? 399 00:17:11,566 --> 00:17:12,833 They did, yeah, I started singing from 400 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:14,334 - a very, very young age, - How young? 401 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,137 Well, I was singing... I had a band in the fourth grade, 402 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,668 - I sang with the symphony... - fourth grade, you did... 403 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:22,535 - Ten, 1 1 years old? - Nine, ten, 1 1 , yeah, 404 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,101 And you sang with the symphony? 405 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:26,468 I sang in a children's choir in the fifth grade, 406 00:17:26,533 --> 00:17:28,468 - Oh, in a choir, - And then I sang... 407 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:31,903 the big thing that started me was, there's an operetta called 408 00:17:31,966 --> 00:17:33,167 ''Amahl and the Night Visitors,'' 409 00:17:33,233 --> 00:17:34,400 Yeah, 410 00:17:34,466 --> 00:17:37,368 It's Menotti, and I played Amahl when I was 1 3, 411 00:17:37,433 --> 00:17:38,867 And I started... and I... then the acting, 412 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:40,801 the musical theater kinda came out of that, 413 00:17:40,866 --> 00:17:43,468 * All day long I'd biddy, biddy bum * 414 00:17:43,533 --> 00:17:45,434 * Biddy, biddy, biddy biddy bum * 415 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,134 - Yeah, you got it, - ? ? 416 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,801 * Wouldn't have to work hard * 417 00:17:48,866 --> 00:17:51,335 * Ya, da, da, da, da, da, da da, da, da... * * 418 00:17:52,566 --> 00:17:53,533 I love it! 419 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,936 My parents were making a living, 420 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,168 Nobody suffered but nobody had any excess, 421 00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:01,468 I played in little kids plays, 422 00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:04,335 in parks, and then I got onto 423 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,337 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, CBC Radio, 424 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,870 for radio drama, fairy tales, 425 00:18:11,933 --> 00:18:13,801 and I played Prince Charming, 426 00:18:13,866 --> 00:18:15,534 ''Princess, are you all right?'' 427 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:17,401 - The hushed voice, - Yes, 428 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:19,301 ''I'm here,'' 429 00:18:21,466 --> 00:18:23,835 And then I went on for radio, more mature radio, 430 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,402 and college plays and stuff like that, 431 00:18:26,466 --> 00:18:32,605 and so it just evolved to the chagrin... 432 00:18:32,666 --> 00:18:36,236 Worse than that, the astonishment of my father, 433 00:18:36,299 --> 00:18:37,834 who really didn't want me to do this, 434 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:40,302 He called it hanging... ''Hangers-on,'' 435 00:18:40,366 --> 00:18:42,234 You're gonna become a hanger-on, 436 00:18:42,299 --> 00:18:43,768 You understand that, Bill? 437 00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:45,467 You can't make a living, 438 00:18:47,066 --> 00:18:50,235 Well, my dad was no psychic, 439 00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:53,236 I started out in Canadian radio in my late teens, 440 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:55,902 and before you know it, I appeared in my first feature, 441 00:18:55,966 --> 00:18:57,934 ''Butler's Night Off,'' 442 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,135 The '50s became a time of great opportunity for me 443 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,868 as I did a variety of radio, 444 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:05,636 theater and live television productions on the CBC, 445 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:10,404 Those early days of live TV have proven valuable, 446 00:19:10,466 --> 00:19:14,069 setting the stage for what would prove to be 447 00:19:14,133 --> 00:19:17,134 the beginnings of my life's journey, 448 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:28,135 William Shatner, as I live and breathe, 449 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,134 How are you? 450 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,100 I'm very well, how are you? 451 00:19:30,166 --> 00:19:31,700 Okay, sit down, 452 00:19:31,766 --> 00:19:33,334 Just another day, sitting on the sidewalk, 453 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,502 - At the office, - Yeah, sure, 454 00:19:38,666 --> 00:19:41,435 Look at you, 455 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,335 You're me 50 years ago, 456 00:19:46,033 --> 00:19:47,634 You don't Iook too bad, 457 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:49,501 Well... 458 00:19:49,566 --> 00:19:50,867 I'm 50 years older, 459 00:19:50,933 --> 00:19:53,935 I wonder how much I've lost, 460 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,835 You wanna go? 461 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:58,102 Come on, Iet me... let me see, 462 00:19:58,166 --> 00:19:59,300 You sure about this? 463 00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:01,334 I... I couldn't be more sure about anything, 464 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,534 Give me that hand, 465 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,034 Let me feel a 30-year-old hand, 466 00:20:04,099 --> 00:20:05,367 - Let's rumble, - Hey, wait a minute, 467 00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:06,567 Let's party, 468 00:20:06,633 --> 00:20:07,600 You already know what to do, right? 469 00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:08,767 ''Over the Top,'' baby, 470 00:20:08,833 --> 00:20:09,934 - Stallone, - Give me this hand here, 471 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,401 I know, I know, come on, Iet's party, 472 00:20:11,466 --> 00:20:12,166 Ready? 473 00:20:12,233 --> 00:20:16,036 - One... - Two, three, go, 474 00:20:16,099 --> 00:20:17,634 Come on, give me... 475 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,369 Hey, wait! 476 00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:21,267 Hey! 477 00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:23,401 Was that a breeze? 478 00:20:23,466 --> 00:20:24,934 Hey, wait a sec, wait! 479 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,102 You did the whole thumb thing, 480 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:28,166 - I want another shot, - Sure, 481 00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:29,968 All right, 482 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,201 You did the thumb thing, 483 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:35,501 Wrap around... you see that... yeah, there you go, 484 00:20:35,566 --> 00:20:36,867 Ahh, see that? 485 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:37,867 - All right, - Wow, 486 00:20:37,933 --> 00:20:39,100 That's two... 487 00:20:39,166 --> 00:20:40,734 - Best out of... - Best out of three, why not? 488 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:41,767 - Best out of three, - Yeah, sure, 489 00:20:41,833 --> 00:20:43,034 All right, you ready? 490 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,034 Captain Kirk, huh? 491 00:20:47,099 --> 00:20:48,401 - Captain Kirk, - Captain Kirk, 492 00:20:48,466 --> 00:20:49,667 Captain Kirk, 493 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:52,969 All right, one, two, three, go, 494 00:20:55,566 --> 00:20:57,267 Here it goes, you're going now, 495 00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:58,600 You're going, 496 00:20:58,666 --> 00:21:00,234 Unbelievable, 497 00:21:00,299 --> 00:21:01,634 I can't believe how strong he is, 498 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:02,967 Hey, you guys gotta get out of here, 499 00:21:03,033 --> 00:21:04,534 Move along, get out of here, 500 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:06,068 Get out of here, man, 501 00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:08,435 - Well... - I can't believe it, 502 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:12,203 Chris Pines is the latest actor to captain the Enterprise, 503 00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:16,670 and his character is James T, Kirk, as was mine, 504 00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:18,367 It all becomes clear, 505 00:21:18,433 --> 00:21:22,503 Chris is extremely talented, and like the rest of us, 506 00:21:22,566 --> 00:21:25,235 thrives on the stage, 507 00:21:25,299 --> 00:21:28,036 We speak to him at what promises to be 508 00:21:28,099 --> 00:21:32,003 at the beginning of a long and successful career, 509 00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:33,801 I watched that today, 510 00:21:33,866 --> 00:21:35,701 ''Train , '' what was it called? 511 00:21:35,766 --> 00:21:36,833 ''Unstoppable, '' 512 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:38,468 - I watched ''Unstoppable,'' - Yeah, 513 00:21:38,533 --> 00:21:42,570 And not only did I see a really entertaining film, 514 00:21:42,633 --> 00:21:45,936 but I saw a great young actor, 515 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,468 What's his name? 516 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,934 You're wonderful, 517 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,868 - Oh, thank you, - You've got the whole thing, 518 00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:54,901 You got the looks and you got the attitude 519 00:21:54,966 --> 00:21:56,500 and everything, it's really great, 520 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:59,669 And I saw you doing some gags, 521 00:21:59,733 --> 00:22:00,700 Uh-huh, 522 00:22:00,766 --> 00:22:02,200 How much of that did you do on the thing? 523 00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:03,300 I did a lot of it, 524 00:22:03,366 --> 00:22:05,768 Y'know, I don't... 525 00:22:05,833 --> 00:22:07,968 I don't have any kind of death wish 526 00:22:08,033 --> 00:22:10,301 but I definitely do get competitive, 527 00:22:10,366 --> 00:22:11,467 Did you feel a sense of risk 528 00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:14,469 at any time you were doing the stunts? 529 00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:16,935 Interestingly enough, not really, 530 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,067 I think I was... 531 00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,334 first of all, we had a great stunt team, 532 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,535 I felt very secure with that, 533 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:23,635 It's interest... 534 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:25,101 I think you get into such a zone 535 00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:26,901 when it is that kind of high-risk 536 00:22:26,966 --> 00:22:29,535 that your focus is so placed on the stunt itself 537 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:31,401 that you don't have time to be scared, 538 00:22:31,466 --> 00:22:32,500 I... 539 00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:33,700 But it's not Tom Cruise kinda stuff... 540 00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:38,337 I... I did a cheap version of what you did 541 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,435 and I had to get up on top of a train, 542 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:41,767 I said to the guy, the director, 543 00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:43,000 ''How are you gonna do this?'' 544 00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:44,500 He says, ''I don't know, maybe in a green screen,'' 545 00:22:44,566 --> 00:22:46,534 I said, ''What... if I got on top of the train 546 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:47,600 ''and you went ten miles an hour, 547 00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:48,566 could you speed it?'' 548 00:22:48,633 --> 00:22:50,134 ''Aw, yeah, Iet's just do that,'' 549 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,135 Ten miles an hour... what'd it look like? 550 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,468 It looked like ten miles an hour, 551 00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:57,402 So we gradually upped the speed to 40 miles an hour, 552 00:22:57,466 --> 00:22:59,034 - Oh, God, - I'm on the top of the train, 553 00:22:59,099 --> 00:23:01,702 - Were you scared? - Out of my mind, 554 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,669 I met your dad, worked with your dad, 555 00:23:05,733 --> 00:23:07,868 He's a wonderful actor, he's been an actor all his life, 556 00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:10,802 I mean, you're like, what, second generation? 557 00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:12,067 - Or is there more? - I am a third generation, 558 00:23:12,133 --> 00:23:13,300 My grand... 559 00:23:13,366 --> 00:23:15,835 Well, in fact, I just found this out recently, 560 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,402 my great-great-uncle was an actor, 561 00:23:18,466 --> 00:23:20,734 so it actually started way, way, way, way back, 562 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,168 Isn't that amazing? 563 00:23:22,233 --> 00:23:25,469 So the idea of choosing to be an actor was not foreign at all, 564 00:23:25,533 --> 00:23:27,801 In fact, it might have been inculcated, 565 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:29,434 In a way, yeah, 566 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:33,337 I often say it's like, I know that my friends' parents 567 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,934 were doctors or lawyers, let's say, 568 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,569 when they, you know, around the dinner table, 569 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,401 you would talk about your day 570 00:23:39,466 --> 00:23:40,934 and your day would consist of cases 571 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,801 or the paperwork you had, 572 00:23:42,866 --> 00:23:45,134 Around my table, it was inevitably about 573 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,401 the day spent at work, 574 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,234 and the work would be... would be ''Quantum Leap'' 575 00:23:48,299 --> 00:23:49,567 or it would be ''Magnum, P,I,'' 576 00:23:49,633 --> 00:23:53,169 So around your dinner table, it was show business, 577 00:23:53,233 --> 00:23:55,435 Yeah, pretty much, yeah, 578 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,302 And was young Chris intrigued, or... 579 00:23:58,366 --> 00:23:59,366 You know, I wasn't, 580 00:23:59,433 --> 00:24:00,700 I wanted to be everything but, 581 00:24:00,766 --> 00:24:01,833 I wanted to be... 582 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,234 You know, I saw ''Top Gun,'' 583 00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:05,135 and I wanted to be a fighter pilot, 584 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,334 How far did that go? 585 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,201 That went about three days, 586 00:24:08,266 --> 00:24:11,102 I have my... I have a bad case of ADD, 587 00:24:11,166 --> 00:24:12,800 You know, I think, in fact, 588 00:24:12,866 --> 00:24:14,400 having grown up so close to it, 589 00:24:14,466 --> 00:24:16,501 maybe my reaction 590 00:24:16,566 --> 00:24:18,267 and my experience with it was different, 591 00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:20,568 instead of wanting to do it from an early age, I just... 592 00:24:20,633 --> 00:24:22,801 It was what my dad did, it was what my mom did 593 00:24:22,866 --> 00:24:24,267 and I met some cool people 594 00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:26,301 and got to do some fun things because of it, 595 00:24:26,366 --> 00:24:28,267 but, you know, I wanted to be a baseball player, 596 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,567 - I wanted everything... - Were you good? 597 00:24:29,633 --> 00:24:33,870 I was... I was... I was, uh... 598 00:24:33,933 --> 00:24:36,435 I was mediocre, 599 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,435 I think when I was young I was pretty good, 600 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:39,701 and then once I hit 13, 601 00:24:39,766 --> 00:24:41,234 it was... I realized it was going... 602 00:24:41,299 --> 00:24:43,235 You... you understood that... 603 00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:45,135 - Very quickly, very quickly, - Really? 604 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,534 Yeah, very quickly, 605 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:50,637 And when was the transition between baseball and tennis 606 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,802 and fighter pilot? 607 00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:55,235 I had a wonderful English teacher who I bonded with 608 00:24:55,299 --> 00:24:56,634 greatly and she... 609 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,070 We did an independent study on ''Waiting for Godot'' 610 00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:01,267 as an English project 611 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,935 and as part of that English project, 612 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,134 at the end, we decided, 613 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,534 yeah, well, why don't we put on the first act of 614 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:07,834 ''Waiting for Godot''? 615 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,003 So we put it up in this atrium in the science building, 616 00:25:12,066 --> 00:25:13,434 I remember, 617 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,735 and I don't have any memories from that 618 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,068 other than it was so simple then, 619 00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:22,237 It was the joy of just getting together with some friends 620 00:25:22,299 --> 00:25:23,401 and putting on a show, 621 00:25:23,466 --> 00:25:25,334 And with an audience, finally, 622 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,001 Yeah, and it was the beauty of theater, 623 00:25:27,066 --> 00:25:28,534 You know, what I loved about theater 624 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,902 is that there's an ephemeral quality to it, 625 00:25:30,966 --> 00:25:32,834 it happens, it comes together, 626 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,234 it exists and then it goes away, 627 00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:47,467 Las Vegas, 628 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,768 - Save this... - Of course, 629 00:26:02,233 --> 00:26:03,801 - Ready to start it off? - Good crowd? 630 00:26:03,866 --> 00:26:05,867 - Very good, - Ooh, very good, 631 00:26:08,766 --> 00:26:09,967 We beat the world record this morning, 632 00:26:10,033 --> 00:26:11,701 No, world record? 633 00:26:11,766 --> 00:26:13,467 A world record! 634 00:26:18,166 --> 00:26:19,901 There's a power... 635 00:26:19,966 --> 00:26:21,734 that the camera has, 636 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,001 Just start pointing a camera, 637 00:26:23,066 --> 00:26:25,735 people give way and police open up, 638 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,836 borders stop, meld, 639 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:30,868 Sorry, we're filming, 640 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,001 Hey, man, how are you? 641 00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:35,534 Your nephew, 642 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:36,867 - You're my nephew? - Yes, 643 00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:38,267 I don't even known you, 644 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:44,168 What the... 645 00:26:44,233 --> 00:26:47,869 I am Locutus of Borg, 646 00:26:47,933 --> 00:26:51,236 The five captains are so distinctive 647 00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:53,301 because of the five actors that play them, obviously, 648 00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:56,802 Patrick was cast against type coming after Bill, 649 00:26:56,866 --> 00:26:57,967 Avery, quite obviously, 650 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,268 was cast against type coming after Patrick, 651 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:01,967 who was smart to bring Kate in as a woman 652 00:27:02,033 --> 00:27:04,635 and then Scott had an entire charm of his own, 653 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:06,234 I think it was very successful, 654 00:27:06,299 --> 00:27:08,268 whether it was planned or not, 655 00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:10,334 it was a very successful endeavor, 656 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,169 We're getting ready to do another franchise 657 00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:16,233 of ''Star Trek,'' 658 00:27:16,299 --> 00:27:17,567 - I'm gonna say it, - Okay, 659 00:27:17,633 --> 00:27:19,801 And we want you to be the captain, 660 00:27:19,866 --> 00:27:21,067 Yes, 661 00:27:21,133 --> 00:27:22,667 Boom, what goes on? 662 00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:24,134 My first thought? 663 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,901 - Not interested, - Why? 664 00:27:25,966 --> 00:27:28,668 And I may have even said... 665 00:27:28,733 --> 00:27:30,768 I'm not interested in, 666 00:27:30,833 --> 00:27:34,269 you know, the next captain seat, 667 00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:37,069 And they said, it's... you're gonna be the first captain, 668 00:27:37,133 --> 00:27:38,901 And then I was done, 669 00:27:41,433 --> 00:27:43,835 You're gonna be 1 OO years before Kirk, 670 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,001 I said, I'm in, 671 00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:47,868 This is Captain Archer of the Starship Enterprise, 672 00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:50,268 We respectfully would like to ask for your assistance 673 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:51,701 with a little problem... 674 00:27:51,766 --> 00:27:53,033 Sir, they're charging weapons, 675 00:27:53,099 --> 00:27:54,734 Polarize the hull plating, 676 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,501 Grab hold of something! 677 00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:58,967 That was an easy kind of a thing, 678 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,968 because I had a knowledge of what it was gonna be, 679 00:28:01,033 --> 00:28:03,602 but I don't know what it would have been like to be you 680 00:28:03,666 --> 00:28:04,833 when somebody says... 681 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,935 Calls and says, ''Come in and audition for...'' 682 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,401 - Well... - 'Cause there weren't... 683 00:28:08,466 --> 00:28:11,001 There had been, like, a couple of bad '50s kind of TV shows, 684 00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:12,133 - Right? - Right, 685 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,470 Well, what happened with me was... 686 00:28:16,533 --> 00:28:18,468 I was in New York doing something 687 00:28:18,533 --> 00:28:21,535 and I got a call from a guy named Roddenberry, 688 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,902 who said, ''My name is Roddenberry 689 00:28:23,966 --> 00:28:27,903 ''and we've shot a pilot 690 00:28:27,966 --> 00:28:29,567 ''and it didn't sell, 691 00:28:29,633 --> 00:28:33,536 but what they said was, recast it and we'll take another look,'' 692 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,835 So I go to LA, I fly into LA, 693 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:38,802 So I looked at this pilot that Roddenberry had shot 694 00:28:38,866 --> 00:28:41,668 with an actor named Jeffrey Hunter, 695 00:28:41,733 --> 00:28:45,803 and Leonard Nimoy playing a smiling Vulcan 696 00:28:45,866 --> 00:28:47,067 and they say to... 697 00:28:47,133 --> 00:28:48,234 ''We want to recast it,'' 698 00:28:48,299 --> 00:28:50,402 So I said things like, 699 00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:52,267 it should be a little more lighthearted and that, 700 00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:55,202 and they all agreed and we made another pilot, 701 00:28:55,266 --> 00:28:58,102 So I was like... 702 00:28:58,166 --> 00:29:00,134 - I had a judgment call, - Yeah, 703 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,602 I was... I could be a little bit of a jury there, 704 00:29:02,666 --> 00:29:04,034 Yeah, 705 00:29:04,099 --> 00:29:05,634 Saying I will or I won't, 706 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:08,803 and I said I will, if you make these changes, 707 00:29:08,866 --> 00:29:12,002 and they did, and so it worked out, 708 00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:13,867 It wasn't any great miracle, 709 00:29:13,933 --> 00:29:16,402 George, just get it over here a little bit, you know, 710 00:29:16,466 --> 00:29:18,401 avoid that meteorite, 711 00:29:18,466 --> 00:29:20,234 A little more to the left, George! 712 00:29:20,299 --> 00:29:22,235 - Y'know, as against... - Right! 713 00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:24,735 ''We're turning right,'' 714 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,635 So that's what I... that's what I... 715 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,501 It wasn't any great thing, 716 00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:30,167 - And then because it was... - Oh, no, it's a huge thing, 717 00:29:30,233 --> 00:29:32,702 It was a tone, and that's what everybody fell in love with 718 00:29:32,766 --> 00:29:34,367 was the tone of the show, 719 00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:37,502 But I must point out that the possibilities, 720 00:29:37,566 --> 00:29:39,434 the potential... 721 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:41,935 for knowledge and advancement is equally great, 722 00:29:47,033 --> 00:29:48,901 Risk, 723 00:29:48,966 --> 00:29:52,502 Risk is our business, 724 00:29:52,566 --> 00:29:55,769 That's what this starship is all about, 725 00:29:55,833 --> 00:29:57,801 That's why we're aboard her, 726 00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:04,203 It was very slowly that I began to realize 727 00:30:04,266 --> 00:30:06,501 that if I were to do this, 728 00:30:06,566 --> 00:30:09,101 I was gonna have to commit for six years, 729 00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:11,334 and at that point, I said, out of the question, 730 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,968 I've got too much to do, 731 00:30:13,033 --> 00:30:16,736 I can't involve myself in a television series 732 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,035 in California for six years, 733 00:30:19,099 --> 00:30:21,635 Everybody knows it's not gonna work, they said, 734 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,135 You cannot revive an iconic series, 735 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,101 You cannot replace those guys, 736 00:30:26,166 --> 00:30:28,902 So don't worry about signing a six-year contract, 737 00:30:28,966 --> 00:30:30,233 You'll never see it out, 738 00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:40,436 Patrick Stewart, who was not Gene's first choice, 739 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:45,171 In fact, he kind of fought even reading him at first, 740 00:30:45,233 --> 00:30:46,534 but Bob Justman insisted, 741 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:47,834 so Gene did 742 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,268 and eventually came to realize 743 00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:52,302 that he was just the perfect actor, 744 00:30:52,366 --> 00:30:55,402 30 years with the RSC before he came to ''Star Trek,'' 745 00:30:55,466 --> 00:30:59,069 and having played all of those kings and emperors 746 00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:01,235 and lead characters, 747 00:31:01,299 --> 00:31:04,403 you know, that's what a starship captain is, 748 00:31:04,466 --> 00:31:06,067 You're an officer onboard this ship 749 00:31:06,133 --> 00:31:08,635 and I require you to perform your duty, 750 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:10,201 That is an order, Commander, 751 00:31:10,266 --> 00:31:11,600 Yes, sir, 752 00:31:11,666 --> 00:31:14,702 I read the pilot, that's what happened, 753 00:31:14,766 --> 00:31:19,237 and I said, ''Oh, well, oh...'' 754 00:31:19,299 --> 00:31:21,602 This is very interesting to me, 755 00:31:21,666 --> 00:31:23,167 I mean... 756 00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:26,169 defending humankind 757 00:31:26,233 --> 00:31:29,603 to some other intelligence in the universe, 758 00:31:29,666 --> 00:31:34,303 a man dealing with... loss, 759 00:31:34,366 --> 00:31:36,201 having to raise a child, 760 00:31:36,266 --> 00:31:39,002 indeed a male child, by himself, 761 00:31:39,066 --> 00:31:40,834 and be brown, 762 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:46,205 as we spin this tale in the 20th century 763 00:31:46,266 --> 00:31:48,601 about the 24th century, 764 00:31:48,666 --> 00:31:49,833 I said okay, 765 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,101 Excuse me, Captain, 766 00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:53,668 Here's tomorrow's duty roster for your approval, 767 00:31:53,733 --> 00:31:55,201 Lieutenant... 768 00:31:55,266 --> 00:31:57,468 - Lieutenant... - Benjamin Sisko, sir, 769 00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:59,635 I've been on temporary assignment here, 770 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,602 Before I leave, I just want to say, 771 00:32:02,666 --> 00:32:04,534 it's been an honor serving with you, sir, 772 00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:13,569 We got word that Kate Mulgrew was cast, 773 00:32:13,633 --> 00:32:16,836 and from the moment she stepped on the bridge, 774 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,601 we could all relax, 775 00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:21,702 because Kate is a natural leader, 776 00:32:21,766 --> 00:32:25,236 We had an actress who wanted to be there, 777 00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:28,569 was immaculately prepared every day, 778 00:32:28,633 --> 00:32:29,867 and, as I said, 779 00:32:29,933 --> 00:32:35,605 just has a take-charge element in her personality, 780 00:32:35,666 --> 00:32:38,301 You can try and stop us from getting to the truth, 781 00:32:38,366 --> 00:32:40,601 but I promise you, if you do, 782 00:32:40,666 --> 00:32:42,734 I will respond with all the unique 783 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,335 technologies at my command, 784 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,834 Janeway out, 785 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:50,103 ''Star Trek'' captains have to be on it right away, 786 00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:51,467 'cause so often the camera's with us 787 00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:54,369 and we have to hit these unspeakable marks, 788 00:32:54,433 --> 00:32:57,002 green screens, blue screens, 789 00:32:57,066 --> 00:32:59,835 nonexistent aliens, spouting this language, 790 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,402 and setting the tone for the rest of our company, 791 00:33:02,466 --> 00:33:03,466 And mine were... 792 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,201 I had nine in my cast, 793 00:33:05,266 --> 00:33:07,067 And people think that we're having these lovely breaks, 794 00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:08,267 don't they, Bill? 795 00:33:08,333 --> 00:33:09,734 And being brought coffee and stuff, 796 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:11,902 It's 18 hours, 797 00:33:11,966 --> 00:33:13,567 You're lucky to go to the john, right? 798 00:33:13,633 --> 00:33:15,134 You get 20 minutes for lunch, that's it, 799 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,634 Exactly right, 800 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:17,901 You gotta be strong, 801 00:33:17,966 --> 00:33:19,467 So I think when they were Iooking at us, 802 00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:22,202 certainly Patrick and me, Avery, 803 00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:24,701 They were thinking, constitutionally, 804 00:33:24,766 --> 00:33:25,900 is she up to it? 805 00:33:25,966 --> 00:33:28,735 Then, can she speak the language? 806 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,001 Which it... 807 00:33:30,066 --> 00:33:32,501 It might as well be Shakespeare, it's so highly stylized, 808 00:33:32,566 --> 00:33:34,768 to be able to spin that language out 809 00:33:34,833 --> 00:33:36,968 and make it accessible to the audience at large 810 00:33:37,033 --> 00:33:39,869 is a gift not a lot of actors have, 811 00:33:39,933 --> 00:33:43,336 Lastly, I think there has to be a great sense of discipline, 812 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,769 We are all disciplined people, 813 00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:46,967 Very punctual, 814 00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:48,300 So I could never be late, 815 00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:50,234 I could never really complain, I had to be on my... 816 00:33:50,299 --> 00:33:51,634 I had to do it, 817 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:54,836 and I did it, so I'm very proud of that, 818 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:56,635 - And so was I, - I'll bet you were, 819 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:57,934 Yeah, 820 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,736 And how do you do this thing and what's the manner 821 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,701 in which you say these words? 822 00:34:02,766 --> 00:34:05,802 And therefore, the classical work 823 00:34:05,866 --> 00:34:07,367 - that all of us have done... - Yeah, 824 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:08,967 came to use, 825 00:34:12,366 --> 00:34:16,369 Ah, New York City, the home of American theater, 826 00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:18,434 I came here in 1956 827 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,569 with the Stratford Shakespeare Company 828 00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:24,102 and I was performing in Marlowe's ''Tamburlaine'' 829 00:34:24,166 --> 00:34:27,269 at the famous Winter Garden Theatre, 830 00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:30,803 Agents found me, producers found me, 831 00:34:30,866 --> 00:34:32,534 The Broadhurst Theatre, 832 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:34,001 Iegendary theater, another one, 833 00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:35,700 This is... 834 00:34:35,766 --> 00:34:38,401 1919, I think it was built, 835 00:34:38,466 --> 00:34:41,602 ''Les Mis�rables,'' ''Cats,'' 836 00:34:41,666 --> 00:34:44,101 Gigantic productions 837 00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:48,036 of which ''The World of Suzie Wong'' was one, 838 00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:52,304 In the late '50s, it ran for two years, 839 00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:54,868 I was the leading actor, 840 00:34:54,933 --> 00:34:56,467 At this theater, 841 00:34:56,533 --> 00:34:58,935 while I was playing ''The World of Suzie Wong,'' 842 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,168 ''funny Girl'' opened, 843 00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:03,068 Barbara Streisand opened here, 844 00:35:03,133 --> 00:35:05,034 This was the beginning of her career, 845 00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:08,536 While I'd be in my dressing room one day, 846 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,737 there was a water pipe going from my dressing room down, 847 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,968 descending into wherever, 848 00:35:15,033 --> 00:35:17,468 and there was a hole by the water pipe, 849 00:35:17,533 --> 00:35:21,036 so I looked down and I saw that that hole 850 00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:23,435 Iooked down into the dressing room 851 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,870 of the dancing girls in ''funny Girl,'' 852 00:35:26,933 --> 00:35:29,835 So I spent part of my time in my dressing room, 853 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,435 trying to see if there was water in the pipe, 854 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:37,137 So this is Shubert AIley and I was in this theater 855 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,235 in a play called ''Shot in the Dark,'' 856 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,468 Julie Harris, Walter Matthau, 857 00:35:41,533 --> 00:35:43,568 and he was hysterical, Julie was hysterical, 858 00:35:43,633 --> 00:35:47,770 I was pretty funny, and we ran for a year, 859 00:35:47,833 --> 00:35:49,634 The common denominator with the captains 860 00:35:49,699 --> 00:35:53,136 is that all of our roots are based in theater, 861 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:54,634 At one time or another, 862 00:35:54,699 --> 00:35:58,236 we've all played memorable characters on the stage, 863 00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,268 Did I say characters? 864 00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:01,434 Did you ever see ''Star Trek''? 865 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,434 Ahh! 866 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:03,868 Yeah, I love it, yeah! 867 00:36:03,933 --> 00:36:05,000 I did, yeah! 868 00:36:05,066 --> 00:36:07,301 Did it change your life at all? 869 00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:09,134 Well, it's still changing, 870 00:36:10,333 --> 00:36:11,467 - And you... - Ahh ! 871 00:36:11,533 --> 00:36:13,701 And as Apple Annie, you watched ''Star Trek''? 872 00:36:13,766 --> 00:36:15,534 - Yes, wonderful, - What was your favorite? 873 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,403 I forget the first couple of... 874 00:36:19,466 --> 00:36:22,135 - Years? - Yeah, wonderful, 875 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:23,501 It can't be beat, 876 00:36:23,566 --> 00:36:24,867 - With Captain Kirk? - Yeah! 877 00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:26,634 - Yeah, yeah, - Yeah, Captain Kirk? 878 00:36:26,699 --> 00:36:28,201 - And Spock? - Yeah, 879 00:36:28,266 --> 00:36:30,701 The whole cast, I love it, 880 00:36:30,766 --> 00:36:32,234 There's nothing like theater, 881 00:36:33,966 --> 00:36:35,400 Why are you called Apple Annie? 882 00:36:35,466 --> 00:36:38,235 Well, it's like a ''Bigfoot George,'' 883 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,970 That's what the Italians do, they have a lead-in, 884 00:36:43,699 --> 00:36:44,734 Yeah, 885 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,334 I loves you, you look so nice, 886 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,601 - Oh, thank you... - I'll take you, 887 00:36:47,666 --> 00:36:50,335 In Jewish, you say you're a bargain, 888 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,534 Bye-bye, honey, 889 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,002 That's... And that's New York, 890 00:36:54,066 --> 00:36:56,101 He's a bargain! 891 00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:03,634 Because the work on ''Star Trek'' was... 892 00:37:03,699 --> 00:37:07,637 The scenes and stories were generally serious, 893 00:37:07,699 --> 00:37:11,236 the moments between the filming 894 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:13,268 were where we had the balance, 895 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:14,867 the yang to the yin, 896 00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:18,703 and that's where we were just shamelessly silly, 897 00:37:18,766 --> 00:37:21,602 Maybe the rest of the cast of ''Next Generation'' 898 00:37:21,666 --> 00:37:23,467 were having a good time right from the get-go, 899 00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,568 I wasn't, 900 00:37:25,633 --> 00:37:27,935 I was too nervous, 901 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,170 I felt out of my depth, out of my comfort zone, 902 00:37:32,233 --> 00:37:34,335 I had never filmed in Hollywood in my life before, 903 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,869 I had no ambitions to film in Hollywood, 904 00:37:36,933 --> 00:37:40,670 I was just scared, scared and exhausted all the time, 905 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:42,701 I'd never worked so hard in my life, 906 00:37:42,766 --> 00:37:46,703 I called a meeting of the principal cast of 907 00:37:46,766 --> 00:37:48,567 ''Star Trek: The Next Generation,'' 908 00:37:48,633 --> 00:37:51,202 and I spoke to them very seriously, and I said, 909 00:37:51,266 --> 00:37:53,501 I think there is too much messing about, 910 00:37:53,566 --> 00:37:55,034 I think there's... too much fooling around 911 00:37:55,099 --> 00:37:56,134 goes on in this show, 912 00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:57,467 We are wasting time, 913 00:37:57,533 --> 00:37:59,568 We get days off occasionally, 914 00:37:59,633 --> 00:38:02,369 Some of us get, you know, a week off at a time, 915 00:38:02,433 --> 00:38:04,334 The rest of these people on the set, they don't, 916 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,668 they're here every day, day in, day out, 917 00:38:06,733 --> 00:38:08,468 and I think we've got to be aware of that 918 00:38:08,533 --> 00:38:11,702 and I think we need to be taking this more seriously, 919 00:38:11,766 --> 00:38:16,670 And I remember Denise Crosby, who was Natasha Yar, 920 00:38:16,733 --> 00:38:18,835 saying to me, ''Oh, come on, Patrick, 921 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,468 we gotta have some fun,'' 922 00:38:20,533 --> 00:38:24,770 And I said, ''We are not here to have fun!'' 923 00:38:24,833 --> 00:38:28,303 They never, ever let me forget that, 924 00:38:28,366 --> 00:38:32,203 because the one thing that I took away 925 00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:36,536 from my ''Star Trek'' experience, 926 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,937 every episode, every movie, all four of them, 927 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,636 was that for the first time in my life as an actor, 928 00:38:44,699 --> 00:38:48,770 my fellow actors showed me how to do good work 929 00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:50,601 and have fun at the same time, 930 00:38:50,666 --> 00:38:52,634 - Whoa, they changed you? - Yes, 931 00:39:00,566 --> 00:39:01,700 Morning, darling, 932 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,834 ''Deep Space Nine'' was funny, 933 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:09,638 because it's like Avery was the leader, 934 00:39:09,699 --> 00:39:10,934 he was our captain, 935 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,336 we paid attention and he did set the tone, 936 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,605 He set the tone in terms of respect and seriousness, 937 00:39:19,666 --> 00:39:23,336 Any scene, especially two-character scenes 938 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,968 is like a sport 939 00:39:25,033 --> 00:39:26,734 and you're playing it together 940 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,935 and you want to get the volleys going, 941 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,801 You're not competing with each other, 942 00:39:30,866 --> 00:39:33,268 but you are demanding of each other 943 00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:36,736 that you deliver the goods 944 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,870 and with Avery, that was implicit, 945 00:39:40,933 --> 00:39:42,167 You're firing me? 946 00:39:42,233 --> 00:39:45,903 I have no choice, Benny, it's his decision, 947 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:50,036 Well... you can't fire me, 948 00:39:50,099 --> 00:39:51,401 I quit, 949 00:39:51,466 --> 00:39:54,502 To hell with you 950 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:56,935 and to hell with Stone! 951 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,368 Try to stay calm, Benny! 952 00:39:58,433 --> 00:40:00,601 No, I'm tired of being calm, 953 00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,734 Calm never got me a damn thing! 954 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,102 Do you try and relate the music to the performance? 955 00:40:05,166 --> 00:40:06,567 It's all music, 956 00:40:06,633 --> 00:40:10,636 I mean, I could talk about literature, 957 00:40:10,699 --> 00:40:13,302 you know, in terms of music, 958 00:40:13,366 --> 00:40:16,435 not just the form of it, but, you know, like the sound 959 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,069 and the complexity of the movement 960 00:40:19,133 --> 00:40:20,501 and the expression of it, 961 00:40:20,566 --> 00:40:22,901 Sure, I sure could, 962 00:40:22,966 --> 00:40:26,803 Well, you know, Art Blakey said that, you know, expression... 963 00:40:26,866 --> 00:40:28,667 You know, he's talking idiomatically, 964 00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:31,302 but not so much so that, you know, 965 00:40:31,366 --> 00:40:32,500 the highest form of expression 966 00:40:32,566 --> 00:40:36,736 is this music, from God through me to you, 967 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,802 It is as wide and varied 968 00:40:39,866 --> 00:40:41,901 as there are people on the earth, 969 00:40:41,966 --> 00:40:43,334 That's what I know, 970 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,301 - Music, - Yes, 971 00:40:45,366 --> 00:40:46,266 Absolutely, 972 00:40:46,333 --> 00:40:47,834 Everybody has their song, 973 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:49,501 Go ahead, 974 00:40:49,566 --> 00:40:51,367 - Everybody has their music, - Go on, 975 00:40:51,433 --> 00:40:53,101 - They vibrate according to... - Go on, 976 00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:54,467 - their own... - Go on, 977 00:40:54,533 --> 00:40:57,602 - tempo and timbre, - Go on, go on, 978 00:40:57,666 --> 00:41:00,902 So everybody has a unique piece of music, 979 00:41:00,966 --> 00:41:02,667 I think so, 980 00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:03,900 Go on, 981 00:41:03,966 --> 00:41:06,935 They play it and it goes out into the universe, 982 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,968 We don't know whether it returns or not, 983 00:41:09,033 --> 00:41:12,336 - Returns to whom? - Exactly, 984 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,469 - Does it make a cycle? - Well, I'm not sure about that, 985 00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:18,769 You know, I mean, that's the what do you call it of humankind 986 00:41:18,833 --> 00:41:24,505 and to some extent, you know, the desire for a return, 987 00:41:24,566 --> 00:41:26,734 That's the, what do you call it, of humankind, 988 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,269 the small of humankind, 989 00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:30,667 I need to get it back, 990 00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:31,867 No, you don't, 991 00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:36,370 I need to believe that my existence and my music 992 00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:38,434 - i n so m e m a n n e r... - M ea n s so m et h i n g , 993 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:39,601 Continues, 994 00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:40,666 Whether you get it... 995 00:41:40,733 --> 00:41:42,501 Whether you hear it back or not, 996 00:41:46,933 --> 00:41:48,801 When I took command ten years ago, 997 00:41:48,866 --> 00:41:51,802 I saw myself as an explorer, 998 00:41:51,866 --> 00:41:55,436 I thought all the risks would be worth it, 999 00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:57,568 because just beyond the next planet, 1000 00:41:57,633 --> 00:41:58,767 just beyond the next star, 1001 00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:02,503 there would be something... magnificent, 1002 00:42:02,566 --> 00:42:04,367 something noble, 1003 00:42:04,433 --> 00:42:07,502 The thing about working with Scott is, 1004 00:42:07,566 --> 00:42:11,169 he has such a disarming quality and a... 1005 00:42:11,233 --> 00:42:12,801 There's just something about him 1006 00:42:12,866 --> 00:42:14,500 that you're put at ease, 1007 00:42:14,566 --> 00:42:16,701 and I think that's... he wants that to happen, 1008 00:42:16,766 --> 00:42:19,135 He wants that sort of one-on-one relationship with a person, 1009 00:42:22,766 --> 00:42:27,370 Lead me along the lines of your awareness of ''Star Trek,'' 1010 00:42:27,433 --> 00:42:28,467 - My awareness? - Yeah, 1011 00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:30,501 - It starts and ends with you, - Really? 1012 00:42:30,566 --> 00:42:32,467 - Tell me about that, - Yeah, 'cause I... 1013 00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:37,504 When I was in college, you guys were... hit the rerun world, 1014 00:42:37,566 --> 00:42:41,303 five nights a week, and that was... 1015 00:42:41,366 --> 00:42:43,634 It was mandatory viewing, and it was... 1016 00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:44,867 And I was in a fraternity, 1017 00:42:44,933 --> 00:42:48,836 and the fraternity stopped at 11:00 at night, 1018 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,334 you were... wherever you were, if you were at a bar, 1019 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,768 whatever you're doing, studying, whatever, 1020 00:42:51,833 --> 00:42:53,100 stop, ''Star Trek's'' on, 1021 00:42:53,166 --> 00:42:54,066 What were you thinking? 1022 00:42:54,133 --> 00:42:57,202 Why... why were you watching? 1023 00:42:57,266 --> 00:43:02,504 I watched because I loved the male relationships on the show, 1024 00:43:02,566 --> 00:43:05,936 and, of course, you watch because you wanna be you guys, 1025 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,835 wanted to be you, 1026 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,802 but the way you guys related to each other 1027 00:43:10,866 --> 00:43:13,001 and the camaraderie and the friendship and the love, 1028 00:43:13,066 --> 00:43:14,367 I always said, you know, the love, 1029 00:43:14,433 --> 00:43:16,835 You know... 1030 00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,701 That was my goal, 1031 00:43:18,766 --> 00:43:20,367 one of the things I was attracted to 1032 00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:24,870 about doing my version was to try and get that back, 1033 00:43:24,933 --> 00:43:26,067 and I don't... 1034 00:43:26,133 --> 00:43:27,467 We didn't succeed the way you guys did, 1035 00:43:27,533 --> 00:43:28,367 but that's why I watched, 1036 00:43:28,433 --> 00:43:30,601 Why not? 1037 00:43:30,666 --> 00:43:31,933 That's a good question, 1038 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,202 There's magic in casting 1039 00:43:34,266 --> 00:43:36,801 and there's magic in the actors around you 1040 00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:42,037 and you can't... you can't make it happen, 1041 00:43:42,099 --> 00:43:43,768 It either happens sometimes and it doesn't happen, 1042 00:43:43,833 --> 00:43:45,701 I had a great cast, 1043 00:43:45,766 --> 00:43:48,401 I don't... I can't... I couldn't really tell you, 1044 00:43:48,466 --> 00:43:50,835 All I know is that you guys had it in a way 1045 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,001 that was so appealing, 1046 00:43:53,366 --> 00:43:57,303 Do you know what you get if you feed a Tribble too much? 1047 00:43:57,366 --> 00:43:59,668 A fat Tribble, 1048 00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:02,902 No, you get a whole bunch of hungry little Tribbles, 1049 00:44:02,966 --> 00:44:06,969 Well, Bones, all I can suggest 1050 00:44:07,033 --> 00:44:08,567 i s y o u o p e n u p a m ate rn i ty wa rd , 1051 00:44:13,533 --> 00:44:15,201 What's interesting about it is everybody says, 1052 00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:20,771 it's so brave of you not to try to imitate William Shatner, 1053 00:44:20,833 --> 00:44:22,100 I said, ''Well, of course... 1054 00:44:22,166 --> 00:44:24,568 There's no courageousness at all involved with it,'' 1055 00:44:24,633 --> 00:44:27,769 I think, you know, the obvious choice would be, clearly, 1056 00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:29,067 to try to do your own thing, 1057 00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:31,535 because anything else would just be a joke, 1058 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,636 There was a conversation all the time about, because... 1059 00:44:34,699 --> 00:44:39,037 Your imprint on the character is, like Nimoy on Spock, 1060 00:44:39,099 --> 00:44:42,236 is... will stand the test of time, 1061 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,068 so knowing that this was some kind of prequeI 1062 00:44:44,133 --> 00:44:46,101 and we are essentially versions of... 1063 00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:47,767 I am a version of you, 1064 00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:50,268 to hopefully pepper the character with some... 1065 00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:52,902 some things that would... 1066 00:44:52,966 --> 00:44:55,134 - Mannerisms, behaviors, - Something that would resonate, 1067 00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:56,100 That would resonate, 1068 00:44:56,166 --> 00:44:58,234 I'm coming with you, 1069 00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:01,569 I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it, 1070 00:45:04,066 --> 00:45:05,534 See? 1071 00:45:06,099 --> 00:45:07,601 We are getting to know each other, 1072 00:45:13,966 --> 00:45:16,435 In the early weeks of shooting the pilot, 1073 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,868 somebody said to me, 1074 00:45:17,933 --> 00:45:21,670 ''How does it feel to be filling the shoes of Captain Kirk? 1075 00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:25,536 How does it feel to be filling the shoes of William Shatner?'' 1076 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,002 And I said, ''Excuse me, 1077 00:45:28,066 --> 00:45:29,901 ''but William Shatner and Captain Kirk 1078 00:45:29,966 --> 00:45:34,337 is still filling his shoes more than adequately,'' 1079 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,636 I'm attempting to fill different shoes, 1080 00:45:37,699 --> 00:45:43,105 You hovered over our early weeks 1081 00:45:43,166 --> 00:45:46,168 and months on the series... 1082 00:45:46,233 --> 00:45:48,234 Like... 1083 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,703 Like a Klingon warbird, 1084 00:45:51,766 --> 00:45:54,001 Oh, no, the Romulans had warbirds, didn't they? 1085 00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:55,600 You see, you know... 1086 00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:57,067 It's been longer for me than you, 1087 00:45:57,133 --> 00:45:59,502 I know, but I bet you would not have made that mistake, 1088 00:45:59,566 --> 00:46:01,000 I would not have made... 1089 00:46:01,066 --> 00:46:03,601 I would not have used that simile at all, 1090 00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:05,567 But I was trying to find, you know, something that, 1091 00:46:05,633 --> 00:46:08,602 rather ominously, slightly threateningly, 1092 00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:11,268 you know, kind of hang over your heads, 1093 00:46:11,333 --> 00:46:14,369 That was what William Shatner and Captain Kirk was, 1094 00:46:14,433 --> 00:46:15,734 I think, for many of us, 1095 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,335 though we would never have admitted it at the time, 1096 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,568 Did you ever see the ''Star Trek'' I did? 1097 00:46:20,633 --> 00:46:21,600 No, 1098 00:46:21,666 --> 00:46:23,401 Had you ever heard of me? 1099 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,567 Possibly, 1100 00:46:26,633 --> 00:46:28,634 - Possibly not, - Possibly not, 1101 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,602 That's a pretty nice-looking costume you have, 1102 00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:35,734 What... 1103 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,735 what era is that? 1104 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,968 - Oh, my gosh! - Oh, my gosh! 1105 00:46:40,033 --> 00:46:42,001 - What era is that? - I'm a Tribble slayer, 1106 00:46:42,066 --> 00:46:44,435 - You're a Tribble slayer? - Yeah, 1107 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,601 - Wow, - Yeah, 1108 00:46:45,666 --> 00:46:47,667 Wish I were a Tribble, 1109 00:46:47,733 --> 00:46:49,234 Hey, everybody, 1110 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,702 Imagine finding you here! 1111 00:47:04,366 --> 00:47:05,867 - How are you? - Hi, 1112 00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:06,900 Hey! 1113 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,702 - Back of my hand, - Hi there, 1114 00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,701 Can I just put a big heart? 1115 00:47:17,766 --> 00:47:19,334 Doesn't recognize... 1116 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,436 Jeri Ryan, 1117 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:23,901 Listen, if I had to vote, 1118 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:26,468 she was the most beautiful girl on ''Star Trek'' I ever saw, ever, 1119 00:47:26,533 --> 00:47:28,201 - Aw, you're so sweet, - Ever, 1120 00:47:28,266 --> 00:47:29,367 And you would know, 1121 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,368 - Mr, Shatner, - How are you? 1122 00:47:39,433 --> 00:47:41,802 Holy cats, Iook at that, the pumpkin, 1123 00:47:45,766 --> 00:47:47,334 Holy crap, that's William Shatner, 1124 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,368 Hey, how you doing? 1125 00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:51,101 Oh, my God! 1126 00:47:51,166 --> 00:47:52,500 I was this close! 1127 00:47:56,766 --> 00:47:58,134 Do you believe this? 1128 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,702 The most beautiful girl in ''Star Trek'' is still selling, 1129 00:48:00,766 --> 00:48:01,733 Still selling, 1130 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,700 You look beautiful, 1131 00:48:02,766 --> 00:48:04,434 Liz, is it okay if I kiss him? 1132 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,034 - Yes, it's okay, - Kiss him, kiss him, kiss him, 1133 00:48:06,099 --> 00:48:07,267 It's okay, 1134 00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:08,634 - Is your husband here? - He is, 1135 00:48:08,699 --> 00:48:10,868 - Where is he? - Where's my sweetie? 1136 00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:12,167 How are you? 1137 00:48:12,233 --> 00:48:13,534 Hi, how are you? 1138 00:48:19,633 --> 00:48:21,768 Oh, excuse me, 1139 00:48:21,833 --> 00:48:23,534 - Sally Kellerman, - Yes, 1140 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,802 The most beautiful girl who ever appeared on ''Star Trek,'' 1141 00:48:30,766 --> 00:48:33,535 The real way to determine the success of the various captains 1142 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,935 in the ''Star Trek'' franchise is to see whose action figure 1143 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,801 is still available, 1144 00:48:37,866 --> 00:48:40,134 Now, we have Patrick Stewart here, 1145 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,535 so Patrick is a very popular and very wonderful captain, 1146 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,668 but how popular could he be? 1147 00:48:44,733 --> 00:48:45,800 'Cause you can still find his figure, 1148 00:48:45,866 --> 00:48:47,534 Is Captain Kirk here? 1149 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,201 Did we see a... 1150 00:48:49,266 --> 00:48:51,001 Did we see a, um... 1151 00:48:51,066 --> 00:48:53,301 Apparently, um... 1152 00:48:53,366 --> 00:48:55,301 this is very exciting news for you, Bill, 1153 00:48:55,366 --> 00:48:56,600 You're sold out, 1154 00:49:01,466 --> 00:49:04,135 During the shooting, y'know, 1155 00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,903 the audience doesn't... isn't quite aware as you and I are 1156 00:49:07,966 --> 00:49:10,134 that the hours are so overwhelming, 1157 00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:11,501 Yeah, 1158 00:49:11,566 --> 00:49:15,736 Minimal 1 2-hour day and most of the days longer than that 1159 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,868 and then you've got publicity and interviews 1160 00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:20,402 and rewrites 1161 00:49:20,466 --> 00:49:25,437 and other things to do having to do with production, 1162 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:29,770 that the end of the week, you're exhausted, 1163 00:49:29,833 --> 00:49:32,135 You only get enough rest on the weekends sometimes 1164 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:33,634 if you're not traveling someplace 1165 00:49:33,699 --> 00:49:37,236 and then you're back again doing it for 40 weeks, 1166 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,902 So the working actor, 1167 00:49:39,966 --> 00:49:42,435 if he knows anything, is not complaining, 1168 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:45,970 but it's overwhelming, and no time for relationships 1169 00:49:46,033 --> 00:49:48,969 of any kind, including your family, 1170 00:49:49,033 --> 00:49:50,868 - Did you find that? - Yeah, very much so, 1171 00:49:50,933 --> 00:49:52,401 Not as much in ''Enterprise,'' 1172 00:49:52,466 --> 00:49:54,534 but when I did ''Quantum Leap'' years ago, it was... 1173 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:55,834 That was a marathon, 1174 00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:57,134 I liken that to a marathon, 1175 00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,168 to try to get to the end of the season, 1176 00:49:59,233 --> 00:50:01,134 I had five days off in 4 years 1177 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:04,169 when I wasn't on the set, from first shot to last shot, 1178 00:50:04,233 --> 00:50:05,901 Did it affect your relationships? 1179 00:50:05,966 --> 00:50:07,567 - Absolutely, absolutely, - Did it affect your marriage? 1180 00:50:07,633 --> 00:50:09,601 - Absolutely, absolutely, - How badly? 1181 00:50:09,666 --> 00:50:10,633 How bad? 1182 00:50:10,699 --> 00:50:12,234 - Well, that marriage ended, - Right, 1183 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,336 - So did mine, - And that was really a... 1184 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,602 It wasn't a direct product of it, 1185 00:50:17,666 --> 00:50:21,102 but it was... it certainly fed into it, 1186 00:50:21,166 --> 00:50:24,335 So you're working all these hours 1187 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,436 and your wife is waiting at home, 1188 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:30,769 and she says, ''Will you be home for dinner?'' 1189 00:50:30,833 --> 00:50:34,536 And you say, ''Yes, dear, we're on our last scene, 1190 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,402 should be done by 6:30,'' 1191 00:50:37,466 --> 00:50:40,502 This is like bad memories, we all have 'em, 1192 00:50:40,566 --> 00:50:41,566 It's just like... 1193 00:50:41,633 --> 00:50:43,401 And then the camera breaks down 1194 00:50:43,466 --> 00:50:45,034 and 6:30 becomes 9:30, 1195 00:50:45,099 --> 00:50:46,501 Yeah, yeah, 1196 00:50:46,566 --> 00:50:47,833 And you get home at 9:30, 1197 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:49,735 she says, ''I thought you were gonna be here at 6:30, 1198 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,201 Where were you?'' 1199 00:50:51,266 --> 00:50:53,267 So I thought, what do you mean, where was I? 1200 00:50:53,333 --> 00:50:54,934 I was pacing back and forth, 1201 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,735 just like, I gotta get home for 6:30 1202 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,102 - and they say you can't leave, - Yeah, 1203 00:50:59,166 --> 00:51:02,202 - What... Tell me, describe... - Did you have kids during... 1204 00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:03,667 - Oh, yeah, I had... - Did you have kids yet? 1205 00:51:03,733 --> 00:51:05,167 I have three children and all three children 1206 00:51:05,233 --> 00:51:07,234 were born in that period of time, 1207 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,300 Yeah, yeah, 1208 00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:09,467 I only had a daughter at the time 1209 00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:12,469 and then my second child was born during... 1210 00:51:12,533 --> 00:51:13,734 during the time, 1211 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,303 and part of the goal was to get home for dinner 1212 00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:19,901 and also to see your kid before they went to bed, 1213 00:51:19,966 --> 00:51:21,233 Yes, 1214 00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,969 And, you know, about a year into it, 1215 00:51:24,033 --> 00:51:25,467 after we kinda figured out what it was, 1216 00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:28,535 and I was a new actor, I didn't have any kind of cache, 1217 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,935 so I couldn't say, I want this time off, 1218 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,401 I don't want to work these nights, 1219 00:51:32,466 --> 00:51:33,767 I don't want to get forced... 1220 00:51:33,833 --> 00:51:36,235 I don't want to have any forced calls, you can't do this, 1221 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:37,734 I just said, whatever... You know, I'm there, 1222 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,268 Whenever you need me, I'm there, 1223 00:51:39,333 --> 00:51:41,334 You're an actor trying to make a living, you're... 1224 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,601 Yes, 1225 00:51:42,666 --> 00:51:43,967 You have the potential for making a good living, 1226 00:51:44,033 --> 00:51:45,768 save this money from ''Quantum Leap'' 1227 00:51:45,833 --> 00:51:47,601 and you may not have any worries, 1228 00:51:47,666 --> 00:51:49,667 at least ''not how to pay the rent'' worries, 1229 00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:52,368 Unless you get divorced and give half of it away, 1230 00:51:52,433 --> 00:51:55,202 I'm glad to meet ya, 1231 00:51:55,266 --> 00:51:57,534 And retire, 1232 00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,568 - Yes? - Yes, right there, 1233 00:51:59,633 --> 00:52:02,202 - Exact same history, - Really? 1234 00:52:02,266 --> 00:52:04,134 Of, I was never there, Star... 1235 00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:05,801 This, for me, was ''Star Trek,'' 1236 00:52:05,866 --> 00:52:09,035 I'm ''Star Trekking'' and I'm getting home the same hours 1237 00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:10,334 you were talking about, 1238 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,369 and my wife says, ''This isn't working out,'' 1239 00:52:13,433 --> 00:52:15,268 And I've got three kids, 1240 00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:18,202 and it didn't work out and we did get a divorce 1241 00:52:18,266 --> 00:52:19,867 and I found myself broke, 1242 00:52:19,933 --> 00:52:23,136 I remember once sitting around a dinner table 1243 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,170 and hearing colleagues, actors, directors, 1244 00:52:27,233 --> 00:52:29,234 and hearing one of them say, 1245 00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:30,501 ''I love my job, 1246 00:52:30,566 --> 00:52:35,070 but my family always come first for me, always,'' 1247 00:52:35,133 --> 00:52:39,270 And a voice inside my head said, ''Not me,'' 1248 00:52:39,333 --> 00:52:42,035 Wow, 1249 00:52:42,099 --> 00:52:44,402 I can say that now because I've discussed that, 1250 00:52:44,466 --> 00:52:45,466 I've talked about this with them, 1251 00:52:45,533 --> 00:52:46,567 and they know about... 1252 00:52:46,633 --> 00:52:48,001 My son, of course, is now an actor, 1253 00:52:48,066 --> 00:52:53,671 but that was my life, my work, and still is, essentially, 1254 00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:55,434 Are you lonely? 1255 00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:57,034 Never, 1256 00:52:57,099 --> 00:52:58,534 You're never lonely? 1257 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:03,204 I've always been content with my own company, 1258 00:53:03,266 --> 00:53:05,935 - Really, - Even when others weren't, 1259 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,501 What's it feel like to be divorced? 1260 00:53:13,033 --> 00:53:16,369 I have two major regrets in my life, 1261 00:53:16,433 --> 00:53:18,535 and they're both to do with the failure of... 1262 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,969 My failure in my marriages, 1263 00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:28,868 How I behaved, 1264 00:53:28,933 --> 00:53:32,069 what I did, um... 1265 00:53:35,933 --> 00:53:37,668 can't be corrected 1266 00:53:37,733 --> 00:53:42,504 and... 1267 00:53:42,566 --> 00:53:44,734 guilt, I think, has gone, 1268 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,569 but regret remains, 1269 00:53:47,633 --> 00:53:50,602 and I have that very strongly, 1270 00:53:50,666 --> 00:53:53,568 And it is kind of handicapped me a little bit, 1271 00:53:53,633 --> 00:53:56,369 I've been married twice, divorced twice, 1272 00:53:56,433 --> 00:54:00,136 I don't know that I could possibly do it again, 1273 00:54:00,699 --> 00:54:03,002 You know, I'm the only female captain on this franchise 1274 00:54:03,066 --> 00:54:04,600 called ''Star Trek,'' 1275 00:54:04,666 --> 00:54:07,402 And I think that the great difference is I... 1276 00:54:07,466 --> 00:54:10,735 The female is hardwired, once she has her young, 1277 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,135 to take care of them and to raise them 1278 00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,702 and I couldn't do it well, 1279 00:54:15,766 --> 00:54:18,101 You know, there were 16, 18 hour days on that set 1280 00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:20,134 for seven years, 1281 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:24,103 And I had two little kids, and believe me, Bill Shatner, 1282 00:54:24,166 --> 00:54:25,534 they resented it, 1283 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,569 And to this day, they never watched it, they disdained it, 1284 00:54:28,633 --> 00:54:30,434 they had nothing but dripping contempt for it, 1285 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,934 and I don't blame them, 1286 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,768 so the woman cannot have it all, 1287 00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:36,435 but I've watched you guys and you guys can, 1288 00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:38,902 - So... - Mm-hmm, 1289 00:54:38,966 --> 00:54:41,034 Brings me to the meat, 1290 00:54:41,099 --> 00:54:43,836 the heart of what I want to talk to about, 1291 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,135 How can you be a starship captain, a real starship... 1292 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,468 How can you be a naval captain going off... 1293 00:54:48,533 --> 00:54:50,701 - To the Delta quadrant, - to the Delta quadrant... 1294 00:54:50,766 --> 00:54:52,000 Yeah, 1295 00:54:52,066 --> 00:54:55,969 and have all those hormonal things rage? 1296 00:54:56,033 --> 00:54:59,403 How can you be Secretary of State? 1297 00:54:59,466 --> 00:55:01,100 It's very hard, 1298 00:55:01,166 --> 00:55:04,402 Well, ''hard'' isn't nebulous, 1299 00:55:04,466 --> 00:55:08,236 Isn't it impossible to have the same objectivity 1300 00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:10,001 that a man has? 1301 00:55:10,466 --> 00:55:12,601 - Yes, of course it is, - Ah, you admitted that, 1302 00:55:12,666 --> 00:55:14,200 It's impossible to have the same gender, 1303 00:55:14,266 --> 00:55:15,367 I mean, I'm a woman, you're a man, 1304 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:17,902 Right, so it's quite different, 1305 00:55:17,966 --> 00:55:19,701 It's absolutely different, 1306 00:55:19,766 --> 00:55:23,136 To be a leader, a woman leader, 1307 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,935 that's quite different from a man leader, 1308 00:55:24,999 --> 00:55:26,434 There's no question about it, 1309 00:55:26,499 --> 00:55:28,134 Now, I'll sit back and look at Mrs, AIbright 1310 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,368 and Secretary Clinton 1311 00:55:30,433 --> 00:55:32,735 and I'll say to myself, how do they do it? 1312 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,537 But I asked myself the same question, 1313 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,569 It's just diabolically difficult, 1314 00:55:39,633 --> 00:55:41,301 Now, they're both at an age where they've let... 1315 00:55:41,366 --> 00:55:45,303 The rest of the hard work is gone, the kids are up, right? 1316 00:55:45,366 --> 00:55:50,003 But the lack of hormones is raging there as well, 1317 00:55:50,066 --> 00:55:51,600 I mean, it never stops, 1318 00:55:51,666 --> 00:55:52,733 It doesn't stop, 1319 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,135 - No, - So... 1320 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,701 This could be unanswerable, 1321 00:55:56,766 --> 00:55:58,100 No, it has an answer, 1322 00:55:58,166 --> 00:55:59,233 But... 1323 00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:00,334 You have an answer for it, 1324 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,801 Well, you have an anSWRr, 1325 00:56:01,866 --> 00:56:02,933 I would apply this... 1326 00:56:02,999 --> 00:56:04,501 Let me apply it to myself as an actor 1327 00:56:04,566 --> 00:56:07,302 and not as a... a politician 1328 00:56:07,366 --> 00:56:09,501 or anything else, because I couldn't speak for those woman, 1329 00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:13,937 I would say, this being the second-oldest profession, 1330 00:56:13,999 --> 00:56:15,901 it's all right to be an actress, 1331 00:56:15,966 --> 00:56:19,369 but it's not as kind as it was even 200 years ago 1332 00:56:19,433 --> 00:56:21,067 when you were allowed to bring your children with you 1333 00:56:21,133 --> 00:56:22,200 to the theater, 1334 00:56:22,266 --> 00:56:24,101 when children were a part of your life, 1335 00:56:24,166 --> 00:56:26,568 Now everything is severely compartmentalized, 1336 00:56:26,633 --> 00:56:29,435 and you know Hollywood better, much better than I do, 1337 00:56:29,499 --> 00:56:30,934 It's tough, 1338 00:56:30,999 --> 00:56:33,202 It's a boy's club out there and they're very tough, 1339 00:56:33,266 --> 00:56:37,103 You play by their rules and you must subscribe to them, 1340 00:56:37,166 --> 00:56:38,367 so that doesn't have any... 1341 00:56:38,433 --> 00:56:41,969 See, that sounds very politically interesting, 1342 00:56:42,033 --> 00:56:43,801 what you said, but it doesn't make any sense, 1343 00:56:43,866 --> 00:56:45,133 What do you mean you play by their rules? 1344 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,735 You have to appear at 6:00 in the morning 1345 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,768 and be ready with your lines and say the words 1346 00:56:49,833 --> 00:56:50,967 and be there 'til the end of shooting, 1347 00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:52,134 Right, 1348 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,635 That could be... 8:00, 9:00, 10:00... 1349 00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:56,401 You and I have worked 'til 12:00, 2:00, 1350 00:56:56,466 --> 00:56:58,034 - 4:00 in the morning, - That's correct, 1351 00:56:58,099 --> 00:57:00,802 To complete the day's work on a friday, especially, 1352 00:57:00,866 --> 00:57:01,800 That's right... 1353 00:57:01,866 --> 00:57:02,833 Then you're wrecked for the weekend, 1354 00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:03,934 That's right, you're wrecked, 1355 00:57:03,999 --> 00:57:05,368 You gotta sleep all day Saturday, 1356 00:57:05,433 --> 00:57:07,501 But you're not wrecked, 'cause the minute you get home at 5:00, 1357 00:57:07,566 --> 00:57:08,700 you've got two hours before those kids 1358 00:57:08,766 --> 00:57:09,900 - are jumping on your bed, - Right, 1359 00:57:09,966 --> 00:57:13,235 Now, as a man, I suppose you have the license 1360 00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:16,336 or the opportunity at any rate, to say, go to your mother, 1361 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,135 But if you're a single mother, which I was, 1362 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,235 with your two little children, you get up, 1363 00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:21,167 So what do you... 1364 00:57:21,233 --> 00:57:22,567 - Now... - You get up, 1365 00:57:22,633 --> 00:57:25,168 Okay, so I have just come from, 1366 00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:28,102 in the sequence of activity that I'm doing, 1367 00:57:28,166 --> 00:57:29,867 I've just come from England with Patrick, 1368 00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:31,100 - I know you have, - flown... 1369 00:57:31,166 --> 00:57:33,268 I'm in jet lag, okay? 1370 00:57:33,333 --> 00:57:35,768 I've survived because I don't have any kids with me, 1371 00:57:35,833 --> 00:57:38,268 my wife and I stayed in the room, we rested, have gona... 1372 00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:43,538 and I am... I am energized to talk to you, 1373 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,369 - But if I were jet-lagged, - And you look very dapper, 1374 00:57:46,433 --> 00:57:47,700 - Thank you, - And let's be frank, 1375 00:57:47,766 --> 00:57:49,467 Liz looks after you a little bit, does she not? 1376 00:57:49,533 --> 00:57:51,668 - That's right, absolutely, - I don't have anybody Iooking after me, 1377 00:57:51,733 --> 00:57:52,800 My wife looks after me, 1378 00:57:52,866 --> 00:57:53,700 You don't have anybody Iooking after you, 1379 00:57:53,766 --> 00:57:54,933 Of course I don't, I never did, 1380 00:57:54,999 --> 00:57:55,967 And you were looking after your kids by yourself, 1381 00:57:56,033 --> 00:57:57,300 - That's right, - How do you... 1382 00:57:57,366 --> 00:57:58,600 It's impossible to do, 1383 00:57:58,666 --> 00:57:59,733 It is impossible, but it's not... 1384 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,268 Obviously not impossible, I did it, 1385 00:58:01,333 --> 00:58:03,768 Well... no, no, it is impossible to do, so how did you do it? 1386 00:58:03,833 --> 00:58:05,167 I didn't, 1387 00:58:05,233 --> 00:58:07,969 I'm afraid I didn't do parts of either thing very well, 1388 00:58:08,033 --> 00:58:09,934 I didn't reach the excellence I could have reached 1389 00:58:09,999 --> 00:58:12,268 had I had a little more rest, a little more help, 1390 00:58:12,333 --> 00:58:14,134 and I'll have to live with that myself, 1391 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,301 but I did the very best... 1392 00:58:15,366 --> 00:58:16,700 The excellence with the children or with the role? 1393 00:58:16,766 --> 00:58:19,368 - Absolutely, my motherhood, - And what about the role? 1394 00:58:19,433 --> 00:58:20,700 What about Janeway? 1395 00:58:20,766 --> 00:58:24,202 Well, you know, my pride, my ego is very substantial, 1396 00:58:24,266 --> 00:58:28,803 so I never gave her less than I would say 950/o, 1397 00:58:28,866 --> 00:58:30,901 but there were days when there was absolute exhaustion, 1398 00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:32,767 There were days when my kids were suffering, 1399 00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:34,434 and, you know, you can't walk off a set, 1400 00:58:34,499 --> 00:58:36,335 You know that better than anybody, 1401 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,335 There's no way they're gonna let you go, 1402 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,903 so the preoccupation with your children's pain is enormous, 1403 00:58:41,966 --> 00:58:45,169 and add to that eight pages of ''techno-babble'' 1404 00:58:45,233 --> 00:58:46,634 that you've got to execute 1405 00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,101 by 2:00 in the morning 1406 00:58:48,166 --> 00:58:50,101 and you can't get to the phone because they don't let you... 1407 00:58:50,166 --> 00:58:53,969 It's... it's... it's very hard, 1408 00:58:54,033 --> 00:58:57,102 - Did you lose family time? - Of course, 1409 00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:59,167 - Did it hurt? - Of course, 1410 00:58:59,233 --> 00:59:01,001 But how much harm was suffered... 1411 00:59:01,066 --> 00:59:04,636 Well, you know, you have to ask them, because the attendant... 1412 00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:07,702 the attendant of the movement of time, 1413 00:59:07,766 --> 00:59:09,601 you know, for us all, 1414 00:59:09,666 --> 00:59:10,867 You know, there it is, 1415 00:59:10,933 --> 00:59:15,437 There's the one... the one hand or the other, 1416 00:59:15,499 --> 00:59:17,134 I mean, who knows, therefore? 1417 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,901 You know, in retrospect, 1418 00:59:18,966 --> 00:59:20,834 you know, I mean, you could do it that way, 1419 00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:22,768 Say, oh, I should have done this as opposed... 1420 00:59:22,833 --> 00:59:24,301 I mean, who knows? 1421 00:59:24,366 --> 00:59:25,734 I mean, so... so... 1422 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,236 so I hold fast 1423 00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:31,035 to what I've chosen to do 1424 00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:33,035 and I'm not apologizing for that, 1425 00:59:33,099 --> 00:59:37,938 but the attendant toll taken on family and all of that, it's... 1426 00:59:37,999 --> 00:59:39,334 That's it, 1427 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,467 What do you mean, that's it? 1428 00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:41,934 - That's profound, - Hey, man, that's it, 1429 00:59:41,999 --> 00:59:43,368 - That was terrible, - It's true, baby, 1430 00:59:43,433 --> 00:59:44,600 That was terrible, 1431 00:59:44,666 --> 00:59:46,467 Well, it's not terrible or not terrible, 1432 00:59:46,533 --> 00:59:47,934 Well, you suffered, you suffered, 1433 00:59:47,999 --> 00:59:49,334 It's true, it's true, they suffered, 1434 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,501 - You suffered, - It's true, 1435 00:59:50,566 --> 00:59:51,700 - But you suffered as well, - Now, watch... 1436 00:59:51,766 --> 00:59:52,933 Well, if they suffered, didn't you suffer? 1437 00:59:52,999 --> 00:59:54,601 - Watch what I'm saying to you, - I'm listening, 1438 00:59:54,666 --> 00:59:57,602 It's true, it's not terrible or not, it's true, 1439 00:59:57,666 --> 01:00:00,035 You know, the toll... 1440 01:00:00,099 --> 01:00:03,903 the toll on people, you can't get it back, 1441 01:00:06,366 --> 01:00:07,467 I mean, no matter what, 1442 01:00:07,533 --> 01:00:10,002 I mean, whether the decision to make... 1443 01:00:10,066 --> 01:00:12,101 You know, to do a thing or not to do a thing... 1444 01:00:12,166 --> 01:00:13,033 You know what I'm talking about, 1445 01:00:13,099 --> 01:00:14,401 Yes, I do, 1446 01:00:14,466 --> 01:00:16,601 Did you discuss this with Vicki like this or did you... 1447 01:00:16,666 --> 01:00:19,702 She knows, of course, 1448 01:00:19,766 --> 01:00:21,634 I'll move, 1449 01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:26,838 Whether we survive it is still extent, isn't it? 1450 01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:29,469 Whether we survive all of the sum... 1451 01:00:29,533 --> 01:00:31,301 The killing of the effects of life, 1452 01:00:31,366 --> 01:00:33,835 Yeah, that living, baby, 1453 01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:35,701 Like you, 1454 01:00:35,766 --> 01:00:37,501 - What's different? - The same, 1455 01:01:04,733 --> 01:01:09,270 This is 50-something years later 1456 01:01:09,333 --> 01:01:11,768 and I'm... 1457 01:01:11,833 --> 01:01:16,304 an old man, reminiscing 1458 01:01:16,366 --> 01:01:19,202 about a kid... 1459 01:01:19,266 --> 01:01:23,169 who was so afraid, 1460 01:01:23,233 --> 01:01:25,935 I was afraid of the future, 1461 01:01:25,999 --> 01:01:28,836 I was afraid of my fellow actors, 1462 01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:31,736 I was afraid of not being good enough, 1463 01:01:33,766 --> 01:01:36,535 I didn't realize it then, 1464 01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:40,003 but I'm starting to realize it now, I... 1465 01:01:40,066 --> 01:01:42,368 God, I come from such a sense of inferiority, 1466 01:01:47,266 --> 01:01:50,502 I'd been asked to come to Stratford 1467 01:01:50,566 --> 01:01:57,239 because I'd been playing in professional theater in Ottawa, 1468 01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,435 and so I came to this tent 1469 01:01:59,499 --> 01:02:03,070 that was erected over a hole in the ground, 1470 01:02:03,133 --> 01:02:06,870 This was Stratford Theatre, 1471 01:02:06,933 --> 01:02:08,367 We were all there, 1472 01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:11,235 the acting company waiting for Tyrone Guthrie, 1473 01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:15,404 Iegendary English producer/director, 1474 01:02:15,466 --> 01:02:18,101 And I'd come to his attention because 1475 01:02:18,166 --> 01:02:22,470 I had understudied Chris Plummer in ''Henry V,'' 1476 01:02:22,533 --> 01:02:26,370 Chris, about two weeks into the run got sick for one day 1477 01:02:26,433 --> 01:02:28,401 and they asked me if I could go on, 1478 01:02:28,466 --> 01:02:30,401 and I went on, 1479 01:02:30,466 --> 01:02:33,602 I got lucky, it went well, and then I got good notices 1480 01:02:33,666 --> 01:02:37,436 and my name became known a little bit at Stratford, 1481 01:02:39,166 --> 01:02:41,902 But this was a time of great ferment for me, 1482 01:02:41,966 --> 01:02:43,934 I didn't know whether I could make it as an actor, 1483 01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:58,568 I get to meet my old friend Chris Plummer 1484 01:02:58,633 --> 01:03:01,202 on the stage at Stratford, 1485 01:03:01,266 --> 01:03:03,234 He might not have been a captain , 1486 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:05,902 but he was a general, 1487 01:03:05,966 --> 01:03:09,736 Coming to Los Angeles to do ''Star Trek,'' 1488 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,469 do you recall telling anybody and... 1489 01:03:12,533 --> 01:03:14,568 and any reaction you had? 1490 01:03:14,633 --> 01:03:16,067 Yes, I wanted to keep it quiet, 1491 01:03:18,466 --> 01:03:19,934 You told no one, 1492 01:03:19,999 --> 01:03:21,234 I said, listen... 1493 01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:24,302 Well, no, I said I'm in LA for tests, 1494 01:03:24,366 --> 01:03:25,667 No, I'm joking, 1495 01:03:25,733 --> 01:03:27,201 No, I was very proud of it, 1496 01:03:27,266 --> 01:03:28,233 I told everybody, 1497 01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:29,934 I went on and on saying 1498 01:03:29,999 --> 01:03:32,335 that you realized you couldn't go on with your career 1499 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,968 without hiring me, 1500 01:03:34,033 --> 01:03:35,300 Chang, 1501 01:03:36,533 --> 01:03:38,968 Can you see me? 1502 01:03:39,033 --> 01:03:41,568 Oh now, be honest, Captain, 1503 01:03:41,633 --> 01:03:44,068 Warrior to warrior, 1504 01:03:44,133 --> 01:03:48,303 Chang was an integral part of ''Star Trek,'' 1505 01:03:48,366 --> 01:03:53,270 a character that the fans, as I understand it... 1506 01:03:53,333 --> 01:03:54,734 Yes, well, you know, 1507 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,035 I was a serious Trekkie when it first came out, 1508 01:03:57,099 --> 01:03:58,401 - No, I didn't know that, - You didn't know that, 1509 01:03:58,466 --> 01:03:59,567 No, 1510 01:03:59,633 --> 01:04:01,868 But I was, in the early '60s when it began, 1511 01:04:01,933 --> 01:04:03,134 - Yeah, - Wasn't it the early '60s? 1512 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,001 - Yeah, middle '60s, yeah, - Middle, 1513 01:04:05,066 --> 01:04:08,202 And I'm... but I was living in England all through the '60s, 1514 01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:10,701 but I watched you on television, 1515 01:04:10,766 --> 01:04:12,000 Oh, for gosh sakes, 1516 01:04:12,066 --> 01:04:13,834 Over and over again, I became a complete Trekkie, 1517 01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:17,236 so when you asked me, 100 years later 1518 01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:22,705 to play in this very witty ''Star Trek VI ,'' 1519 01:04:22,766 --> 01:04:24,067 I played this... 1520 01:04:24,133 --> 01:04:27,736 I think the only Klingon that didn't have a hairpiece 1521 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,103 and I had this sort of blind eye 1522 01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:33,368 and this eye patch with a nail through it, 1523 01:04:33,433 --> 01:04:36,936 I looked a bit like Moshe Dayan in heat, 1524 01:04:36,999 --> 01:04:39,135 - In heat, - Yes, 1525 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,001 And I had the most marvelous time 1526 01:04:41,066 --> 01:04:42,534 playing with you guys again 1527 01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:44,735 and everybody seemed to be a Canadian on that show, 1528 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,101 That was right, 1529 01:04:46,166 --> 01:04:48,935 We larded it with the finest talent in the world, 1530 01:04:48,999 --> 01:04:50,167 who just happen to be Canadian, 1531 01:04:50,233 --> 01:04:52,034 Of course, 1532 01:04:52,099 --> 01:04:54,735 The line that stayed with me was, 1533 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,735 that you should read Shakespeare in the original Klingon, 1534 01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,902 If you tickle us, do we not laugh? 1535 01:04:58,966 --> 01:05:01,501 Prick us, do we not bleed? 1536 01:05:01,566 --> 01:05:03,935 Wrong us... 1537 01:05:03,999 --> 01:05:05,768 shall we not revenge? 1538 01:05:05,833 --> 01:05:08,435 I think it was something like, you haven't heard Shakespeare 1539 01:05:08,499 --> 01:05:12,036 until you've heard it in the original Klingon, 1540 01:05:12,099 --> 01:05:15,570 And sitting here in a seat of Shakespeare's, 1541 01:05:15,633 --> 01:05:17,201 it's really funny, 1542 01:05:17,266 --> 01:05:18,467 It strikes a chord, 1543 01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:19,967 Was Chang a challenge? 1544 01:05:20,033 --> 01:05:21,467 - Yes, yes, - How so? 1545 01:05:21,533 --> 01:05:23,034 Well, for the... 1546 01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:24,568 It was a challenge to begin with 1547 01:05:24,633 --> 01:05:26,267 because I didn't want to look like 1548 01:05:26,333 --> 01:05:28,668 every other Klingon that had ever walked with... 1549 01:05:28,733 --> 01:05:30,034 The omelet, 1550 01:05:30,099 --> 01:05:32,001 With the massive head and the massive brow, 1551 01:05:32,066 --> 01:05:34,334 - Right, right, - I thought that... And we had... 1552 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,369 We ran into big difficulty, because, of course, isn't it... 1553 01:05:37,433 --> 01:05:39,835 Isn't there a language already in Washington? 1554 01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:42,636 Yeah, a guy invented the Klingon language, 1555 01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:43,734 Yes, 1556 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,401 And it's been certified 1557 01:05:45,466 --> 01:05:48,335 and it's been recognized as a language, 1558 01:05:50,166 --> 01:05:52,201 - Dead or alive, - Oh, my gosh, 1559 01:05:52,266 --> 01:05:55,102 And so I got a lot of flak, 1560 01:05:55,166 --> 01:05:56,867 A lot of people were saying, nO , nO , nO , nO , nO , 1561 01:05:56,933 --> 01:05:59,402 You've got to have all this, 'cause it's traditional, 1562 01:05:59,466 --> 01:06:01,534 we can't walk away, 1563 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,568 - finally, Nicholas... - Nick Meyer, yeah, 1564 01:06:03,633 --> 01:06:07,670 Nick Meyer, who wrote that very witty tongue-in-cheek script, 1565 01:06:07,733 --> 01:06:10,469 he stood up for me and... 1566 01:06:10,533 --> 01:06:12,468 I didn't come to you because I thought, 1567 01:06:12,533 --> 01:06:15,102 you know, Bill's not gonna help at all, 1568 01:06:15,166 --> 01:06:19,703 So at least the director stood up for me and I got my way, 1569 01:06:19,766 --> 01:06:21,300 I didn't have the long hair, 1570 01:06:21,366 --> 01:06:24,001 - The omelet, - I looked... Yeah, 1571 01:06:26,266 --> 01:06:30,336 To be or not to be, 1572 01:06:48,466 --> 01:06:51,235 I'm a native of the planet Risa which was the planet 1573 01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:54,403 that everybody went on vacation when they had time off, 1574 01:06:54,466 --> 01:06:55,466 It was the spring break planet, 1575 01:06:55,533 --> 01:06:56,634 Yes, basically, 1576 01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,034 - Spring break planet, - Risans gone wild, 1577 01:06:58,099 --> 01:07:00,535 - Yes, - Woo! 1578 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,336 from TOS to TNG to DS9 to Voyager, 1579 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,201 it's pretty much also inspired my life, 1580 01:07:08,266 --> 01:07:09,600 I study mechanical engineering, 1581 01:07:14,166 --> 01:07:15,934 The next generation right here, 1582 01:07:15,999 --> 01:07:17,668 I've always been a ''Star Trek'' fan, 1583 01:07:17,733 --> 01:07:19,868 Humanity has settled its differences with each other 1584 01:07:19,933 --> 01:07:23,503 and that's what I really would like to... 1585 01:07:23,566 --> 01:07:25,834 I'd like to live, 1586 01:07:26,833 --> 01:07:29,902 Well, he is about the most ultimate ''Star Trek'' fan 1587 01:07:29,966 --> 01:07:31,167 that every lived, 1588 01:07:31,233 --> 01:07:33,802 He came from AIbuquerque and had... 1589 01:07:33,866 --> 01:07:36,368 Drove up 12 hours, so... 1590 01:07:36,433 --> 01:07:40,470 In a van, and it was quite a... 1591 01:07:40,533 --> 01:07:42,301 quite a difficult trip for him, 1592 01:07:42,366 --> 01:07:44,334 but it's worth it, 1593 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,168 He's had like two hours of sleep, 1594 01:07:46,233 --> 01:07:48,068 He doesn't care, 1595 01:07:48,133 --> 01:07:51,035 It helps his mind, he says, 1596 01:07:51,099 --> 01:07:56,738 It's, I think, something that's positive and creative 1597 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,670 and it brings a lot of meaning to him, 1598 01:08:18,933 --> 01:08:20,134 for a long time, 1599 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,235 Bill had no interest in going to the conventions, 1600 01:08:22,299 --> 01:08:25,202 He and Leonard both had issues with getting away 1601 01:08:25,266 --> 01:08:27,568 from that character, 1602 01:08:27,633 --> 01:08:30,235 only being identified with one role, 1603 01:08:30,299 --> 01:08:32,702 They were actors, they wanted people to 1604 01:08:32,766 --> 01:08:34,834 appreciate their ability for other things, 1605 01:08:34,900 --> 01:08:37,235 not just for the one character they'd played, 1606 01:08:37,299 --> 01:08:40,403 They finally did a convention in New York in 1 976, 1607 01:08:40,466 --> 01:08:42,234 He was very nervous, 1608 01:08:42,299 --> 01:08:45,202 I don't think he realized what it would be like 1609 01:08:45,266 --> 01:08:47,334 to get on stage and have, in this case, 1610 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,569 thousands of people who absolutely adored him, 1611 01:08:50,633 --> 01:08:53,335 just that love that hits you when you get on that stage 1612 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,603 and he started going to conventions after that, 1613 01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,101 Um... 1614 01:09:09,166 --> 01:09:13,803 I'm doing a documentary called ''The Captains,'' 1615 01:09:13,866 --> 01:09:15,367 Avery Brooks, 1616 01:09:15,433 --> 01:09:16,834 What a great guy, 1617 01:09:21,333 --> 01:09:23,768 But he's kinda out there, 1618 01:09:30,866 --> 01:09:35,437 He's doing jazz things in his head, 1619 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,968 Captain, 1620 01:09:43,766 --> 01:09:44,800 Avery, are you there? 1621 01:09:44,866 --> 01:09:47,768 Yes, I'm here, 1622 01:09:47,833 --> 01:09:50,535 And that phony accent that Patrick Stewart puts on, 1623 01:09:58,566 --> 01:10:00,701 I had the best time with Patrick at his house, 1624 01:10:00,766 --> 01:10:01,933 It was... 1625 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,368 He's got a great house in the country, 1626 01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:06,435 Can't tell you where, can't even tell you which country! 1627 01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:10,803 Kate Mulgrew in New York, 1628 01:10:10,866 --> 01:10:14,269 So she's on her way down to the location 1629 01:10:14,333 --> 01:10:17,736 and I sat in a packing box 1630 01:10:17,799 --> 01:10:19,635 and people start passing by and they're looking at me, 1631 01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:20,734 and I'm in the... 1632 01:10:20,799 --> 01:10:22,868 I'm like a homeless guy in a packing box, 1633 01:10:24,633 --> 01:10:26,001 Isn't that Captain Kirk in there? 1634 01:10:26,066 --> 01:10:28,368 What's he doing? 1635 01:10:28,433 --> 01:10:29,801 Yes! 1636 01:10:29,866 --> 01:10:33,803 What's your favorite dramatic scream, Spock or Khan? 1637 01:10:33,866 --> 01:10:34,933 You gotta help me, 1638 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,468 Scream Spock like I did, 1639 01:10:36,533 --> 01:10:38,201 Spooock! 1640 01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:43,934 Okay, 1641 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,736 Now scream ''Khan'' like I did, 1642 01:10:46,799 --> 01:10:48,434 Khaaan! 1643 01:10:54,599 --> 01:10:55,968 That's pretty good, kid, 1644 01:10:56,033 --> 01:10:58,368 Which is my favorite scream? 1645 01:10:58,433 --> 01:11:00,735 Screams of ecstasy, but you wouldn't know about that, 1646 01:11:04,033 --> 01:11:05,467 Goodbye, goodbye, 1647 01:11:24,133 --> 01:11:25,167 You don't mind, do you? 1648 01:11:25,233 --> 01:11:27,234 Oh, mind, my friend? 1649 01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:30,234 My dear friend, 1650 01:11:30,799 --> 01:11:32,401 I love you so much, 1651 01:11:34,933 --> 01:11:36,801 But... 1652 01:11:36,866 --> 01:11:38,601 And you know it's mutual, 1653 01:11:38,666 --> 01:11:40,167 - I know, - I know, 1654 01:11:51,533 --> 01:11:53,067 Where are we going now? 1655 01:11:53,133 --> 01:11:54,701 You have a backstage meet-and-greet... 1656 01:11:54,766 --> 01:11:56,434 A backstage meet-and-greet, 1657 01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:57,701 - How are you? - fine, how are you? 1658 01:11:57,766 --> 01:11:58,900 What's your name? 1659 01:11:58,966 --> 01:12:00,300 My name's Dawn, I met you in San francisco, 1660 01:12:00,366 --> 01:12:02,568 I recognized your pretty face, Dawn, 1661 01:12:02,633 --> 01:12:03,667 - Thank you, - Hi, 1662 01:12:03,733 --> 01:12:05,401 - Hi, I'm Debra, - Hi, Debra, how are you? 1663 01:12:05,466 --> 01:12:06,800 Pleasure to see you, 1664 01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:09,333 Hi, how are you? 1665 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,901 she told me a lot about you, 1666 01:12:10,966 --> 01:12:11,866 Really? 1667 01:12:11,933 --> 01:12:12,833 Pleasure to see you, 1668 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:13,934 I'm Amy, it's nice to meet you, 1669 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,501 Hello, Amy, pleasure to meet you, 1670 01:12:15,566 --> 01:12:17,167 Hi, Blair, nice to meet you, 1671 01:12:17,233 --> 01:12:18,767 Blair, nice to see you, 1672 01:12:18,833 --> 01:12:20,167 Andy, nice to see you, 1673 01:12:20,233 --> 01:12:21,434 Hi, Scott, how are you? 1674 01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:23,001 - Pleasure to meet you, - Pleasure to meet you, 1675 01:12:23,066 --> 01:12:25,134 Hi there, 1676 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,200 How are you today? 1677 01:12:26,266 --> 01:12:27,867 William Shatner, this is Captain Dave, 1678 01:12:27,933 --> 01:12:29,034 Hi, Captain Dave, 1679 01:12:29,099 --> 01:12:30,468 How are you? 1680 01:12:30,533 --> 01:12:32,468 - He's one of your biggest fans, - It's a pleasure to see you, 1681 01:12:32,533 --> 01:12:34,701 How are you? 1682 01:12:34,766 --> 01:12:36,367 - He's speaking now, - There you go, 1683 01:12:36,433 --> 01:12:39,302 I understand you're fine, 1684 01:12:39,366 --> 01:12:40,767 Are you excited? 1685 01:12:40,833 --> 01:12:41,800 That a boy, 1686 01:12:41,866 --> 01:12:43,534 It's good to see you, 1687 01:12:43,599 --> 01:12:45,368 Are you having fun? 1688 01:12:45,433 --> 01:12:48,002 Must be quite an experience, huh? 1689 01:12:48,066 --> 01:12:49,133 It's good to see you, 1690 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,601 Take care of yourself, 1691 01:13:05,099 --> 01:13:09,003 So I am on this Bombardier airplane 1692 01:13:09,066 --> 01:13:13,403 and I'm watching for the first time, you, 1693 01:13:13,466 --> 01:13:16,335 I'm looking at the dignity 1694 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,069 and the seriousness 1695 01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:22,503 and the application of your talent to this role, 1696 01:13:22,566 --> 01:13:26,670 and I'm thinking, this is really good, 1697 01:13:26,733 --> 01:13:29,569 And I know the quality of your talent, 1698 01:13:29,633 --> 01:13:33,136 I've recognized a long time ago 1699 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,070 what a fine actor you are, 1700 01:13:37,133 --> 01:13:40,135 and then I plumbed a note inside me 1701 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,501 that I want to talked to you about, 1702 01:13:41,566 --> 01:13:43,334 and that's this, 1703 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,235 When I did Captain Kirk 1704 01:13:45,299 --> 01:13:49,437 and we opened up in the first season, 1705 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:52,569 the notices were not particularly good about the show 1706 01:13:52,633 --> 01:13:55,869 and not particularly good for me, 1707 01:13:55,933 --> 01:13:57,367 Whatever they said about me 1708 01:13:57,433 --> 01:14:00,636 was not as laudatory as it had in the past 1709 01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:03,736 and what I was able to get sometimes in the future, 1710 01:14:03,799 --> 01:14:09,372 In fact, Leonard Nimoy, who played Mr, Spock so well, 1711 01:14:09,433 --> 01:14:12,602 so uniquely, 1712 01:14:12,666 --> 01:14:17,470 that although he didn't have spectacular things to do, 1713 01:14:17,533 --> 01:14:19,368 that we would think of for an actor, 1714 01:14:19,433 --> 01:14:24,137 he played the thing so differently, 1715 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,603 that it caught the attention of people and the critics 1716 01:14:27,666 --> 01:14:32,637 and he had a nomination for an Emmy 1717 01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,536 and none of that came my way, 1718 01:14:35,599 --> 01:14:39,437 Then as the show continued, I would get things like, 1719 01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:41,768 ''Hey, beam me up, Scotty!'' 1720 01:14:41,833 --> 01:14:47,672 A sort of, what had seemed to me as sort of derisive tone, 1721 01:14:49,933 --> 01:14:52,302 And then when the... my series was over 1722 01:14:52,366 --> 01:14:57,170 and a few years later, there began conventions, 1723 01:14:57,233 --> 01:14:58,968 I was asked to do the first convention, 1724 01:14:59,033 --> 01:15:01,368 and I thought, I'm not gonna do a convention 1725 01:15:01,433 --> 01:15:02,834 with all those people in costumes 1726 01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:04,735 and makeup and all this, 1727 01:15:04,799 --> 01:15:06,801 and then after a few conventions, 1728 01:15:06,866 --> 01:15:10,102 15000 people would attend, 1729 01:15:10,166 --> 01:15:12,735 And I thought, well, 15000 people, 1730 01:15:12,799 --> 01:15:14,701 I guess you can't ignore that, 1731 01:15:14,766 --> 01:15:17,935 So I went on and I would do these conventions 1732 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,302 and there'd be all these people in wardrobe and costume 1733 01:15:20,366 --> 01:15:21,834 and, ''What's it like to be Captain Kirk?'' 1734 01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:23,134 and, ''Yay, Captain,'' 1735 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,001 You know, they're taking me as Captain Kirk, 1736 01:15:25,066 --> 01:15:29,036 and I'm not Captain Kirk, I'm William Shatner, 1737 01:15:29,099 --> 01:15:35,339 More, and I think the right word is ''derisive,'' 1738 01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,871 I realized on that airplane 1739 01:15:39,933 --> 01:15:45,138 that I was slightly embarrassed about playing Captain Kirk, 1740 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,337 I never thought of it in that way, but I thought, 1741 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,902 all these people that would come up to me 1742 01:15:51,966 --> 01:15:54,568 and one who came up to me in Toronto when we landed 1743 01:15:54,633 --> 01:15:57,102 to pick up Canadian crew, 1744 01:15:57,166 --> 01:16:03,272 the head of Bombardier said what a fan he was of me 1745 01:16:03,333 --> 01:16:06,803 and that he had become an aeronautical engineer 1746 01:16:06,866 --> 01:16:10,069 because of what... of my appeal to him, 1747 01:16:10,133 --> 01:16:13,236 and as I know and I want to hear about it, 1748 01:16:13,299 --> 01:16:16,870 so many people have come up and said my life has changed 1749 01:16:16,933 --> 01:16:18,634 as a result of seeing your work, 1750 01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:23,071 and what I have done always in the past 1751 01:16:23,133 --> 01:16:24,234 was go, ''Oh, yeah,'' 1752 01:16:24,299 --> 01:16:25,934 I'd say to myself, ''Yeah, right, 1753 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,067 Not really,'' 1754 01:16:27,133 --> 01:16:28,701 I mean, you're... 1755 01:16:28,766 --> 01:16:30,901 I'm part of this Hollywood mystique, you guys think... 1756 01:16:30,966 --> 01:16:34,235 and you think I affected you, but not really, 1757 01:16:34,299 --> 01:16:36,402 I would deny it, 1758 01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:38,367 even if I didn't so in front of them, 1759 01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:40,134 ''Yeah, sure,'' 1760 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:45,705 And for the first time, when... when the head of... 1761 01:16:45,766 --> 01:16:48,268 the CO of Bombardier, 1762 01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:50,201 said, ''I was affected,'' 1763 01:16:50,266 --> 01:16:55,471 The first time, because I'm doing research on you, 1764 01:16:55,533 --> 01:16:57,935 I looked at him and I thought, 1765 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,503 is it possible that what I did all those years ago 1766 01:17:01,566 --> 01:17:03,534 really did affect him? 1767 01:17:03,599 --> 01:17:05,368 I was in deniaI 1768 01:17:05,433 --> 01:17:10,171 and I was in a sort of derisive feeling about Captain Kirk 1769 01:17:10,233 --> 01:17:13,369 until I saw you play Captain Picard, 1770 01:17:13,433 --> 01:17:16,936 and I thought, you've brought all your talents, 1771 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,601 all your excellence, 1772 01:17:18,666 --> 01:17:23,103 all your gravitas to the part 1773 01:17:23,166 --> 01:17:27,637 and then your statement in which you said 1774 01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:33,505 all the kings and emperors and romantic parts 1775 01:17:33,566 --> 01:17:36,769 that you have played classically and elsewhere 1776 01:17:36,833 --> 01:17:39,135 all have led up to playing Captain Picard, 1777 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,702 But I, too, have played classical roles 1778 01:17:41,766 --> 01:17:44,301 and been in wonderful productions 1779 01:17:44,366 --> 01:17:46,501 and I never thought of it quite that way, 1780 01:17:46,566 --> 01:17:51,437 that the way Captain Kirk changed my life, 1781 01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:53,335 I never quite thought of it that way 1782 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,869 until this epiphany 1783 01:17:55,933 --> 01:17:59,403 I've had as a result of doing the research on you, 1784 01:17:59,466 --> 01:18:00,800 How extraordinary, 1785 01:18:00,866 --> 01:18:02,334 How extraordinary, 1786 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,270 I have so many observations about what you've been saying, 1787 01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:09,102 There are many places in which our careers and our lives 1788 01:18:09,166 --> 01:18:10,500 and work overlap, 1789 01:18:10,566 --> 01:18:12,100 Tremendous amount, 1790 01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:15,335 I don't believe this is coincidence, 1791 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,336 I think Gene Roddenberry 1792 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,535 sometimes knew exactly what he was doing 1793 01:18:20,599 --> 01:18:23,736 and sometimes was just working on instinct, 1794 01:18:23,799 --> 01:18:28,771 when he cast you, when, very improbably, he cast me, 1795 01:18:28,833 --> 01:18:34,071 And the story about all my work prior to ''Star Trek'' 1796 01:18:34,133 --> 01:18:35,467 being nothing but a preparation 1797 01:18:35,533 --> 01:18:38,068 for sitting in the captain's chair of the Enterprise, 1798 01:18:38,133 --> 01:18:42,604 I said this very early in the first season 1799 01:18:42,666 --> 01:18:45,935 when we were doing a lot of press 1800 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,169 and I found myself being asked questions 1801 01:18:49,233 --> 01:18:51,735 or listening to comments 1802 01:18:51,799 --> 01:18:57,405 that were ever so gently, ever so subtly implying 1803 01:18:57,466 --> 01:19:02,037 that given my past, my history as an actor, 1804 01:19:02,099 --> 01:19:06,037 wasn't I just slumming a little bit now? 1805 01:19:06,099 --> 01:19:08,235 You know, hadn't this 1806 01:19:08,299 --> 01:19:12,203 just taken a little bit of a downward... 1807 01:19:12,266 --> 01:19:16,570 I was so offended by these suggestions, 1808 01:19:16,633 --> 01:19:20,169 because you know how hard we worked on those shows, 1809 01:19:20,233 --> 01:19:22,602 the hours that we put in, that everybody put in, 1810 01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:27,137 If I filled that chair at all well, 1811 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,603 if I had any authority on the bridge 1812 01:19:30,666 --> 01:19:33,902 or on an alien planet, 1813 01:19:33,966 --> 01:19:37,302 it was because of what I'd done before 1814 01:19:37,366 --> 01:19:41,770 that gave me that confidence and assurance, 1815 01:19:41,833 --> 01:19:45,870 and I think thoughtfulness about the work, 1816 01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:48,502 And very early on, 1817 01:19:48,566 --> 01:19:50,734 I remember in a conversation with Jonathan frakes, 1818 01:19:50,799 --> 01:19:52,568 Commander Riker, 1819 01:19:52,633 --> 01:19:56,937 saying I'm going to do the best work in this syndicated 1820 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,570 science-fiction television show that I can possibly do, 1821 01:20:01,966 --> 01:20:05,669 Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise? 1822 01:20:05,733 --> 01:20:08,268 What's the name of that planet, Veridian III? 1823 01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:09,767 Yes, 1824 01:20:09,833 --> 01:20:12,368 I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim, 1825 01:20:12,433 --> 01:20:14,001 You could say that, 1826 01:20:14,066 --> 01:20:15,300 Sounds like fun, 1827 01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:22,536 You applied all your skills 1828 01:20:22,599 --> 01:20:27,071 without any sense of it being less 1829 01:20:27,133 --> 01:20:31,637 than demanding, everything you had, 1830 01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:36,638 I don't mean that when I was shooting, 1831 01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:40,837 that I didn't do anything less than my best, 1832 01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:43,602 I was coming from a more emotional point of view, 1833 01:20:43,666 --> 01:20:47,836 I think, and that I was trying to 1834 01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:52,504 generate as much... emotion 1835 01:20:52,566 --> 01:20:54,301 within what was written, 1836 01:20:54,366 --> 01:20:57,569 to extract as much juice out of it as possible, 1837 01:20:57,633 --> 01:21:00,302 that I, when I look at some of the things I did, I... 1838 01:21:00,366 --> 01:21:01,433 ''What was I... 1839 01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:03,301 Why wasn't I more diffident about that?'' 1840 01:21:03,366 --> 01:21:06,168 Instead of trying to extract 1841 01:21:06,233 --> 01:21:08,168 every moment of drama out of it, 1842 01:21:08,233 --> 01:21:12,837 But there's one difference that separates the two of us, 1843 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:15,135 We have all of these similarities, 1844 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,604 You were creating a show, 1845 01:21:19,666 --> 01:21:24,203 We were developing that creation of yours, 1846 01:21:24,266 --> 01:21:25,400 The passion... 1847 01:21:25,466 --> 01:21:27,000 You see, it's so good you talked about the passion 1848 01:21:27,066 --> 01:21:28,100 that you put into it, 1849 01:21:28,166 --> 01:21:29,367 My passion was of a different nature 1850 01:21:29,433 --> 01:21:32,402 from yours as Captain Kirk, 1851 01:21:32,466 --> 01:21:36,169 You were setting the style, the form, the shape, 1852 01:21:36,233 --> 01:21:38,568 the quality of the energy of that series, 1853 01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:51,437 I finally realized that it wasn't Starfleet 1854 01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:54,269 I wanted to get away from, 1855 01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:57,135 I was trying to accept the pain I felt 1856 01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,269 after my wife's death, 1857 01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:03,469 I thought I could take the uniform, 1858 01:22:03,533 --> 01:22:08,604 wrap it around that pain and toss them both away, 1859 01:22:08,666 --> 01:22:11,502 but it doesn't work like that, 1860 01:22:11,566 --> 01:22:14,835 Running may help for a little while, 1861 01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:18,003 but sooner or later, the pain catches up with you, 1862 01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,234 And the only way to get rid of it 1863 01:22:20,299 --> 01:22:23,236 is to stand your ground and face it, 1864 01:22:27,766 --> 01:22:29,968 from God to you, 1865 01:22:30,033 --> 01:22:31,467 Through to me, 1866 01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:40,768 What happens when you die? 1867 01:22:40,833 --> 01:22:42,201 Tell me, 1868 01:22:42,266 --> 01:22:43,667 Wish I knew, 1869 01:22:43,733 --> 01:22:45,067 Do you have a thought? 1870 01:23:15,866 --> 01:23:17,567 It could be good, it could be bad, 1871 01:23:25,599 --> 01:23:27,068 That makes me smile, 1872 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,401 I wish I knew, 1873 01:23:58,733 --> 01:24:00,601 Well, what's your feeling about life and death? 1874 01:24:00,666 --> 01:24:01,666 - What's your feeling? - Well, I don't think... 1875 01:24:01,733 --> 01:24:03,101 I think we're just... these are just... 1876 01:24:03,166 --> 01:24:04,467 the bodies are just temporaI 1877 01:24:04,533 --> 01:24:07,435 and another word that you and I can use, 1878 01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:10,736 but, you know, we're not our bodies, 1879 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,168 - the're... - Are we? 1880 01:24:12,233 --> 01:24:14,101 - We have a soul? - I think so, I think so, 1881 01:24:14,166 --> 01:24:15,467 And does that soul go someplace? 1882 01:24:15,533 --> 01:24:16,667 - I think so, - Like where? 1883 01:24:16,733 --> 01:24:19,402 - I think it's all around us, - Yeah? 1884 01:24:19,466 --> 01:24:21,734 It's not in a pearly gate or... 1885 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:22,901 No, no, 1886 01:24:22,966 --> 01:24:25,902 But the souls, the essence of the lives 1887 01:24:25,966 --> 01:24:27,734 that have been before are around us, 1888 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,001 AIways, always, 1889 01:24:29,066 --> 01:24:31,134 And so there's... so... 1890 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:32,601 And do they have an influence? 1891 01:24:32,666 --> 01:24:35,035 - Oh, absolutely, - And helping guide, 1892 01:24:35,099 --> 01:24:36,334 Yeah, sure, 1893 01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:38,068 So you don't think in terms of life and death? 1894 01:24:38,133 --> 01:24:40,468 I don't, I think about it in terms... 1895 01:24:40,533 --> 01:24:42,568 You know, for other people, but I think... 1896 01:24:42,633 --> 01:24:45,268 I'm so... the more we're... 1897 01:24:45,333 --> 01:24:48,169 The longer I'm here and the more I see, 1898 01:24:48,233 --> 01:24:50,401 the less I think about that 1899 01:24:50,466 --> 01:24:54,369 because so many people don't get it as long as I've had, 1900 01:24:54,433 --> 01:24:56,868 so many people don't have as much as I have, 1901 01:24:56,933 --> 01:24:59,802 and so I think as you get older, 1902 01:24:59,866 --> 01:25:01,334 you know, people always talk about perspective, 1903 01:25:01,399 --> 01:25:03,068 but I think you get more grateful, 1904 01:25:03,666 --> 01:25:08,470 Mr, Shatner, you are well-traveled, well-read, 1905 01:25:08,533 --> 01:25:11,269 You've loved often and well, 1906 01:25:11,333 --> 01:25:14,669 You've experienced a great deal of grief 1907 01:25:14,733 --> 01:25:18,002 and probably no end of problems that none of us will ever know, 1908 01:25:18,066 --> 01:25:20,802 so I have to conclude that you're an examined person, 1909 01:25:20,866 --> 01:25:23,668 so I want you to really answer this question, 1910 01:25:23,733 --> 01:25:25,568 When you die, 1911 01:25:25,633 --> 01:25:28,836 do you believe that there is a life after that 1912 01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:33,938 or do you believe that it is ashes to ashes, dust to dust? 1913 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:39,872 When I had to play the death of Captain Kirk... 1914 01:25:39,933 --> 01:25:45,004 the night before, I said to myself, 1915 01:25:45,066 --> 01:25:47,935 I have to look at the moment of death, 1916 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,469 how will I feel? 1917 01:25:50,533 --> 01:25:53,936 And so I imagined myself on the threshold, 1918 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,469 I fainted once when I drank a cold beer 1919 01:25:56,533 --> 01:25:58,968 after a hot workout and I went out... 1920 01:25:59,033 --> 01:26:01,001 - How typical of you, - And I went out, 1921 01:26:01,066 --> 01:26:04,068 I chug-a-lugged a cold beer, and sooner or later 1922 01:26:04,133 --> 01:26:05,334 I passed out, and I was... 1923 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,001 20 seconds later, I was going, what happened? 1924 01:26:07,066 --> 01:26:09,001 But I remember the closing in, 1925 01:26:09,066 --> 01:26:10,066 Yes, 1926 01:26:10,133 --> 01:26:13,870 The ''iris-ing'' in of my feeling, 1927 01:26:13,933 --> 01:26:15,501 And like how they're... Holy cow, 1928 01:26:15,566 --> 01:26:17,200 Zoom... and I was out, 1929 01:26:17,266 --> 01:26:19,501 So what is that moment of death? 1930 01:26:19,566 --> 01:26:22,568 Where is that margin 1931 01:26:22,633 --> 01:26:25,335 that you say I'm alive and I'm dying? 1932 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:26,834 I'm dead, 1933 01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:29,168 I had to imagine that, 1934 01:26:29,233 --> 01:26:31,935 Then, I had to characterize it 1935 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,802 by what would Captain Kirk do, 1936 01:26:34,866 --> 01:26:36,934 So there's two answers here, 1937 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,835 One is, the death of Captain Kirk, 1938 01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:43,704 I imagined Kirk with a lifetime of looking at the... 1939 01:26:43,766 --> 01:26:45,067 The alien, 1940 01:26:45,133 --> 01:26:46,968 - The alien coming towards you, - Right, right, right, 1941 01:26:47,033 --> 01:26:49,702 And instead of fear, I always play, wow, look at that! 1942 01:26:49,766 --> 01:26:52,301 Oh, his giant teeth is coming towards me, 1943 01:26:52,366 --> 01:26:54,668 that sort of thing, awe and wonder, 1944 01:26:54,733 --> 01:26:59,237 I figured Kirk would look at the moment of death and go, 1945 01:26:59,299 --> 01:27:00,734 ''Oh, my,'' 1946 01:27:02,933 --> 01:27:04,534 It was... 1947 01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:08,034 fun, 1948 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:20,167 Oh, my, 1949 01:27:26,533 --> 01:27:28,801 I'm frightened of death, I'm scared, 1950 01:27:28,866 --> 01:27:30,234 - Are you? - Yeah, 1951 01:27:30,299 --> 01:27:34,303 I thrust it out of my mind and probably by the dint of work 1952 01:27:34,366 --> 01:27:36,835 'cause I know death is over my shoulder, 1953 01:27:36,900 --> 01:27:39,135 by the dint of work that I'm doing, I'm alive, 1954 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,070 By the passion I feel for my wife, I'm alive, 1955 01:27:43,133 --> 01:27:46,936 by my family affairs, I hold them so close, 1956 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,336 I'm alive, 1957 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:51,901 But death is right there, 1958 01:27:51,966 --> 01:27:54,268 And I'm fearful, I'm panicked, I'm... 1959 01:27:54,333 --> 01:27:57,202 What are you fearful of? 1960 01:27:57,266 --> 01:27:59,568 Losing all this, 1961 01:28:00,033 --> 01:28:01,467 Now you're out there, 1962 01:28:01,533 --> 01:28:05,570 you finished ''Star Trek'' and you leave, 1963 01:28:05,633 --> 01:28:08,102 - Where do you go? - Here, 1964 01:28:08,166 --> 01:28:09,767 Did you know you were coming here? 1965 01:28:09,833 --> 01:28:12,402 Yeah, I have nowhere else to go, 1966 01:28:12,466 --> 01:28:14,301 I have nowhere else to go, 1967 01:28:14,366 --> 01:28:17,001 You know when people say, ''Oh, what are you doing now?'' 1968 01:28:17,066 --> 01:28:19,334 Well, I mean, what I'm doing always, 1969 01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,334 I'm right here, 1970 01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:24,068 * Here you are * 1971 01:28:24,133 --> 01:28:25,901 * At home * 1972 01:28:25,966 --> 01:28:27,434 * So happy * 1973 01:28:30,233 --> 01:28:33,202 * And yet you yearn * 1974 01:28:33,266 --> 01:28:35,101 * For more * 1975 01:28:42,533 --> 01:28:45,002 * What do you yearn for? * 1976 01:28:45,066 --> 01:28:46,233 * What do you want? * 1977 01:28:48,799 --> 01:28:51,702 * What's life * 1978 01:28:51,766 --> 01:28:53,267 * Going to tell you? * 1979 01:29:05,066 --> 01:29:08,736 * You look at me * 1980 01:29:08,799 --> 01:29:10,434 * And wonder * 1981 01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:12,668 You see? 1982 01:29:12,733 --> 01:29:14,734 * You look at me and... * 1983 01:29:16,033 --> 01:29:17,834 - * Think * - No, 1984 01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:20,702 * Doubt * 1985 01:29:20,766 --> 01:29:22,334 * You * 1986 01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:25,767 Yeah, 1987 01:29:25,833 --> 01:29:27,334 * Look at me * 1988 01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,870 * And wonder * 1989 01:29:30,933 --> 01:29:34,603 * Will the flame * 1990 01:29:34,666 --> 01:29:36,601 Go out, 1991 01:29:36,666 --> 01:29:37,533 No. 1992 01:29:37,599 --> 01:29:40,002 No, no, no... 1993 01:29:41,299 --> 01:29:43,635 * That flame is there * 1994 01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:46,769 * No one is sure * 1995 01:29:46,833 --> 01:29:49,135 * Of sunshine * 1996 01:29:51,333 --> 01:29:54,235 * No one is sure of rain * 1997 01:29:55,733 --> 01:29:57,334 Yes! 1998 01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,367 * All we know * 1999 01:29:58,433 --> 01:30:02,069 * But my love * 2000 01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:05,269 * For you * 2001 01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:08,169 * Will always * 2002 01:30:08,233 --> 01:30:10,835 * Be there * 2003 01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:13,035 * Will linger * 2004 01:30:15,700 --> 01:30:17,201 * On * 2005 01:30:21,833 --> 01:30:23,935 * And on * 2006 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,635 * And on * 2007 01:30:39,433 --> 01:30:43,403 All I know is that... 2008 01:30:43,466 --> 01:30:47,102 I have found... 2009 01:30:47,166 --> 01:30:49,001 a greater peace, 2010 01:30:49,066 --> 01:30:50,867 a greater tranquility, 2011 01:30:50,933 --> 01:30:55,671 a truer sense of who I am and why I'm here 2012 01:30:55,733 --> 01:30:58,535 on stage or in front of a camera 2013 01:30:58,599 --> 01:31:00,702 than I find in life, 2014 01:31:00,766 --> 01:31:03,869 Not fame, not money, 2015 01:31:03,933 --> 01:31:05,668 not even the craft itself is more important to me 2016 01:31:05,733 --> 01:31:07,568 than the people that I love, 2017 01:31:07,633 --> 01:31:09,668 And that's where I've come to, 2018 01:31:09,733 --> 01:31:11,901 I suppose that was always me, 2019 01:31:11,966 --> 01:31:14,501 but it takes some years 2020 01:31:14,566 --> 01:31:17,769 of feeling... 2021 01:31:17,833 --> 01:31:22,504 the deep strains of love, 2022 01:31:22,566 --> 01:31:25,602 It's the only mystery that... 2023 01:31:25,666 --> 01:31:29,436 that is infinitely important, 2024 01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:31,935 No, it's this thing about the freedom 2025 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,136 of how we conceive, 2026 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,436 how we perceive each other, 2027 01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:42,604 the world, the possibility of things, 2028 01:31:42,666 --> 01:31:45,035 I've always wanted to believe, 2029 01:31:45,099 --> 01:31:47,101 so when they present something like 2030 01:31:47,166 --> 01:31:49,668 ''Quantum Leap'' to me, or time travel, 2031 01:31:49,733 --> 01:31:51,034 I want to believe that, 2032 01:31:51,099 --> 01:31:52,468 I want to believe that we can do that, 2033 01:31:52,533 --> 01:31:53,967 because I know that we can split the atom 2034 01:31:54,033 --> 01:31:56,168 and move it from one side of a cement block 2035 01:31:56,233 --> 01:31:58,768 to the other side of it and put it back together again, 2036 01:31:58,833 --> 01:32:00,534 so theoretically, we can do that, 2037 01:32:00,599 --> 01:32:02,668 So I'm on board, I'm there, 2038 01:32:02,733 --> 01:32:04,167 And when I see... 2039 01:32:04,233 --> 01:32:06,501 When your guys' show is on and I'm looking at you guys flying, 2040 01:32:06,566 --> 01:32:08,968 I'm thinking, we're gonna be able to do that someday, 2041 01:32:09,033 --> 01:32:11,668 It was one of the best experiences of my life, 2042 01:32:11,733 --> 01:32:13,134 I met some of the closest friends 2043 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,502 that I think I'll ever have, 2044 01:32:15,566 --> 01:32:18,302 It certainly changed the trajectory of my career, 2045 01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:19,834 but fundamentally, 2046 01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:22,302 and I think what acting is all about and what you've shown 2047 01:32:22,366 --> 01:32:23,667 a great deal of, 2048 01:32:23,733 --> 01:32:26,602 especially with ''Boston Legal,'' is a sense of humor, 2049 01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:28,167 There's a fun, there's a joy, 2050 01:32:53,166 --> 01:32:55,001 I know... 2051 01:32:55,066 --> 01:32:59,170 that if it were all to end... 2052 01:32:59,233 --> 01:33:01,702 this evening, everything, 2053 01:33:01,766 --> 01:33:04,702 I would be largely known 2054 01:33:04,766 --> 01:33:06,234 for my work on ''Star Trek,'' 2055 01:33:06,299 --> 01:33:09,369 I would be Captain Picard, 2056 01:33:09,433 --> 01:33:12,369 Not Macbeth, not King Lear, 2057 01:33:12,433 --> 01:33:14,468 not Shakespeare, any of those things, 2058 01:33:14,533 --> 01:33:17,002 but Captain Picard, 2059 01:33:17,066 --> 01:33:20,035 And I am absolutely fine with that, 2060 01:33:20,099 --> 01:33:20,934 Wow, 2061 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,267 fine, 2062 01:33:22,333 --> 01:33:25,035 In this instant, for you to have said that, 2063 01:33:25,099 --> 01:33:27,368 here's the gift you've given me, 2064 01:33:27,433 --> 01:33:31,336 I've made this long journey from Los Angeles to London 2065 01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,034 to talk to you 2066 01:33:33,099 --> 01:33:35,702 and the gift I've got 2067 01:33:35,766 --> 01:33:38,135 is my realization 2068 01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:42,737 that I too would feel the same way 2069 01:33:42,799 --> 01:33:45,602 if they say, ''That was Captain Kirk,'' 2070 01:33:45,666 --> 01:33:47,567 All of the sudden, 2071 01:33:47,633 --> 01:33:50,702 I've suddenly had a release to say, 2072 01:33:51,266 --> 01:33:53,067 I'm happy with that, why not? 2073 01:33:53,133 --> 01:33:55,368 Great character, long-lived, 2074 01:33:55,433 --> 01:33:57,902 45 years later, people are still talking about Captain... 2075 01:33:57,966 --> 01:33:59,167 Who does that? 2076 01:33:59,233 --> 01:34:01,268 - Unprecedented, - Unprecedented, 2077 01:34:01,333 --> 01:34:03,101 So what if they say, ''Beam me up, Scotty''? 2078 01:34:03,166 --> 01:34:04,267 Yeah, yeah, 2079 01:34:04,333 --> 01:34:05,534 ''If I could I would,'' should be my answer, 2080 01:34:37,366 --> 01:34:41,737 So, Scotty, wherever you are, 2081 01:34:41,799 --> 01:34:43,834 it's okay to beam me up, 2082 01:34:46,333 --> 01:34:48,067 But not yet! 2083 01:34:57,500 --> 01:35:05,500 www.SUBTITULOS.es -SPREAD THE WORD-